Our entire draft direction is contingent on Moton.

[Black&BlueBubba]

6 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

Ron just said a few week ago he has to figure out where the two guys will play.

I never trust the coach speak.  Just like “CAP is going to get significant touches”. Or “We like our young backup QB’s”.  It’s just BS this time of year. 

[Waldo]

Poor Cam. His boss is incompetent. If I thought this was draft smoke, I would still have hope. I can see us putting Little over at LT and pretending we fixed anything. Ugh and fug

[Mr. Scot]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Why is this staff so inept at depth chart decisions? This is nothing new, particularly along the OL.

Bad at player evaluation...

56 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Don't be shocked if they opt to put Williams on the left. 

Shocked? No.

Pissed? Maybe.

[poorboysrev]

29 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I have been saying this for months--got into some heated arguments where relatives and next of kin became involved--if anyone can provide a sensible, logical, intelligent answer to this question in 3 parts, I will concede that Moton is in their plans at LT.

Why did Moton not beat out Matt Kalil at LT last year?

Why did Moton not go to LT when Williams and Kalil were injured (instead we hired a street free agent)?

At the end of the season, when we benched Cam and the season was done, why did we not take a long look at Moton at LT? 

As soon as the season ended (around week 15), we should have started looking at the future--it was clear then that Kalil was not returning. Please don't say Clark was better at LT than RT--that is a dumb argument.  RTs in free agency are much easier to find than LTs.  You put your best LT on Cam's blind side.  I  am willing to bet that Matsko knows that.  So I can only speculate that these Sofa GMs are basing their theory on the fact that Moton had a decent game vs. Dallas in relief duty week 1.

Williams (based on my observations) may have a better or equal shot at LT---but I am almost certain that he is not a LT either.  THAT is why we are looking for one.  This is why I think Cody Ford (as Jourdan says) might be the pick.  He is a dominant G with the athleticism to play LT.  Do not be surprised to see Williams at LG and Ford at LT if we do that.  Moton, in my opinion, is a solid RT.

So anyone that doesn’t agree with your expert take is a sofa gm. Moton looked better at LT vs Dallas than Williams has ever looked there. Williams was a 4th rd pick. Moton was a 2nd rder that I believe we traded up for...why is Williams automatically getting the nod?  As far as using last year’s emergency situation depth chart as your logic of why Moton can’t do it...Moore and Samuel sat behind funchess and Torrey Smith...Ron and this staff is always scared of starting young guys and for some reason keep putting Amini out there. don’t see how anyone can use this team’s classically brilliant handling of the depth chart as a reason. If anything it generally shows whomever they buried on the depth chart is guaranteed to be a fuging pro bowler when they finally come around ha.

basing your conclusions on what a logical person would do and expecting that out of Ron before he’s been hit over the head with it...yeah that’s all I’m saying 

[MHS831]

Here is another angle:  We have addressed DE (Irvin), C (Paradis), WR (Hogan), RB (Artis Payne),  DT (Love), and RT (Williams).  We have NOT addressed LG in any way--unless we plan to keep Moton at RT and move Williams to LT or LG.  I think they liked Moton at RT and signed Williams for a season to see if he has value--he was not that good at RT (needed a TE/FB help a lot). 

So if we draft a hybrid OL in the first three rounds, could there be a competition at LT with Williams, loser  gets LG?  Risner, Ford, Little, Edwards (wisc), Davis (UNCC)--there are a lot of these kinds of players in this draft.  I think it is beyond coincidence that we have talked to more tackles than guards when we have 2 Tackles with starting experience--Moton and Williams--and still seek a Left Tackle. 

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

So anyone that doesn’t agree with your expert take is a sofa gm. Moton looked better at LT vs Dallas than Williams has ever looked there. Williams was a 4th rd pick.was a 2nd rder that I believe we traded up for...why is Williams automatically getting the nod?  As far as using last year’s emergency situation depth chart as your logic of why Moton can’t do it...Moore and Samuel sat behind funchess and Torrey Smith...Ron and this staff is always scared of starting young guys and for some reason keep putting Amini out there. don’t see how anyone can use this team’s classically brilliant handling of the depth chart as a reason. If anything it generally shows whomever they buried on the depth chart is guaranteed to be a fuging pro bowler when they finally come around ha

Yes,  and it was a tongue--in-cheek joke toward my  previous adversaries--newsflash--we are ALL sofa GMs.  Did I say Williams automatically  gets the nod?  I can tell you this--he was never kept at RT when LT was vacant.  You really miss the point.  Moton was not sitting behind Clark and Newhouse as a developing player..  You do not put Clark on Cam's blind side if you have a better LT on the roster playing RT.  It is that simple.  Do you even have a sofa?

[poorboysrev]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Here is another angle:  We have addressed DE (Irvin), C (Paradis), WR (Hogan), RB (Artis Payne),  DT (Love), and RT (Williams).  We have NOT addressed LG in any way--unless we plan to keep Moton at RT and move Williams to LT or LG.  I think they liked Moton at RT and signed Williams for a season to see if he has value--he was not that good at RT (needed a TE/FB help a lot). 

So if we draft a hybrid OL in the first three rounds, could there be a competition at LT with Williams, loser  gets LG?  Risner, Ford, Little, Edwards (wisc), Davis (UNCC)--there are a lot of these kinds of players in this draft.  I think it is beyond coincidence that we have talked to more tackles than guards when we have 2 Tackles with starting experience--Moton and Williams--and still seek a Left Tackle. 

Grabbing a player on the oline that’s flexible like that and then letting them all compete and get the best starting 5 out there I absolutely agree with. Competition and best man up is always good for the team. I’m just not going to assume Moton can’t be the guy because anywhere I’ve seen them slide him he’s played well

[poorboysrev]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Yes,  and it was a tongue--in-cheek joke toward my  previous adversaries--newsflash--we are ALL sofa GMs.  Did I say Williams automatically  gets the nod?  I can tell you this--he was never kept at RT when LT was vacant.  You really miss the point.  Moton was not sitting behind Clark and Newhouse as a developing player..  You do not put Clark on Cam's blind side if you have a better LT on the roster playing RT.  It is that simple.  Do you even have a sofa?

Adversaries really? ...seriously dude you need to take yourself a whole lot less seriously. It’s a fan forum, we all have opinions. 

[MHS831]

Just now, poorboysrev said:

Grabbing a player on the oline that’s flexible like that and then letting them all compete and get the best starting 5 out there I absolutely agree with. Competition and best man up is always good for the team. I’m just not going to assume Moton can’t be the guy because anywhere I’ve seen them slide him he’s played well

I agree that Moton could play LT---what I am saying is Matsko, Turner, and Rivera had the option to play him there last year and did not--he competed with Kalil and did not win the job, he did not even get the job when Kalil went down.  On other teams, I have seen the RT move to LT when there was an injury.  You but your best T there.  Why was our future LT not playing LT over Clark and Newhouse?

[Lumps]

36 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I have been saying this for months--got into some heated arguments where relatives and next of kin became involved--if anyone can provide a sensible, logical, intelligent answer to this question in 3 parts, I will concede that Moton is in their plans at LT.

Why did Moton not beat out Matt Kalil at LT last year?

Why did Moton not go to LT when Williams and Kalil were injured (instead we hired a street free agent)?

At the end of the season, when we benched Cam and the season was done, why did we not take a long look at Moton at LT? 

As soon as the season ended (around week 15), we should have started looking at the future--it was clear then that Kalil was not returning. Please don't say Clark was better at LT than RT--that is a dumb argument.  RTs in free agency are much easier to find than LTs.  You put your best LT on Cam's blind side.  I  am willing to bet that Matsko knows that.  So I can only speculate that these Sofa GMs are basing their theory on the fact that Moton had a decent game vs. Dallas in relief duty week 1.

Williams (based on my observations) may have a better or equal shot at LT---but I am almost certain that he is not a LT either.  THAT is why we are looking for one.  This is why I think Cody Ford (as Jourdan says) might be the pick.  He is a dominant G with the athleticism to play LT.  Do not be surprised to see Williams at LG and Ford at LT if we do that.  Moton, in my opinion, is a solid RT.

Why were Samuel and Moore on the bench while Funchess and Smith continues to fail? Why was Norwell on the bench while Amini was dancing around on the field? Why was Norman on the bench fully healthy when the secondary literally was destroyed and fell apart after he was benched? Why does Cam play meaningless games injured? Why on God’s  earth would you stick a DT, Chandler, on the offensive line and leave him there? Why would you make Gano one of the highest paid kickers in the league, and not of learned the lesson with Mare, when his production is below 30% of the NFL and why would you release Butker, a kicker you drafted only to show a ton of promise kicking at 1/6th the cost? 

So yea you’re right why the hell was Kalil a better option than Moton, especially when he played well there?

It couldn’t because the coaches have a hard time evaluating talent it must be because he doesn’t fit and wouldn’t be good. Lots of basis for that.

[poorboysrev]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Yes,  and it was a tongue--in-cheek joke toward my  previous adversaries--newsflash--we are ALL sofa GMs.  Did I say Williams automatically  gets the nod?  I can tell you this--he was never kept at RT when LT was vacant.  You really miss the point.  Moton was not sitting behind Clark and Newhouse as a developing player..  You do not put Clark on Cam's blind side if you have a better LT on the roster playing RT.  It is that simple.  Do you even have a sofa?

You also asked why Moton didn’t beat out Matt kalil...cause the team handed his dumbass a huge contract. If you think on the field solely makes all these decisions you’re being naive

[MHS831]

Just now, poorboysrev said:

Adversaries really? ...seriously dude you need to take yourself a whole lot less seriously. It’s a fan forum, we all have opinions. 

Any disagreement  has adversaries, scholar.  The  word does not suggest a degree of seriousness, dude. Def: " one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute."  You are doing all you can do to become one right now.  If our forum opinions disagree, we have disputes which create adversaries.  I do not think understanding the English language suggests that I am too serious for a fan forum, but I appreciate your opinion.

[poorboysrev]

1 minute ago, Lumps said:

Why were Samuel and Moore on the bench while Funchess and Smith continues to fail? Why was Norwell on the bench while Amini was dancing around on the field? Why was Norman on the bench fully healthy when the secondary literally was destroyed and fell apart after he was benched? Why does Cam play meaningless games injured? Why on God’s  earth would you stick a DT, Chandler, on the offensive line and leave him there? Why would you make Gano one of the highest paid kickers in the league, and not of learned the lesson with Mare, when his production is below 30% of the NFL and why would you release Butker, a kicker you drafted only to show a ton of promise kicking at 1/6th the cost? 

So yea you’re right why the hell was Kalil a better option than Moton, especially when he played well there?

It couldn’t because the coaches have a hard time evaluating talent it must be because he doesn’t fit and wouldn’t be good. Lots of basis for that.

Ha right on  and I forgot about that poo show

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

You also asked why Moton didn’t beat out Matt kalil...cause the team handed his dumbass a huge contract. If you think on the field solely makes all these decisions you’re being naive

So you are saying that they  risk Cam's contract money (health) so they  can pay Kalil?  Not buying it.  We had an escape clause after 2 years and did not exercise it.  Not even close to being logical.