Opinion:Why Gary should be the pick if he falls

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Our hometown boy Norris has Gary at 15.  Maybe not out of the question. 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Gary is going to bust big time 

I say the same thing but u guys think I’m crazy.

[Palmetto]

What i like about this time of year is one guys observations is not to be taken seriously but that other guy over there take him seriously he just so happens to agree with me

[micnificent28]

5 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

What i like about this time of year is one guys observations is not to be taken seriously but that other guy over there take him seriously he just so happens to agree with me

I mean I guess it depends on whoever you follow or trust, how they weigh prospects. The principles they follow to get to their conclusions, PFF is a very usual metric that I would use to help with selecting guys in the late rounds where it gets a little harder.

but they bank heavily on statistics, which have them much lower on athletes that don’t produce like Gary and D.K Metcalf, whom almost everyone but them have in the first.

I believe the most successful players are normally better athletes in some area so I like Norris and his method. He incorporates traits a,webs, sparks, measurable testings from players since data was kept. 

[Peppers90 NC]

14 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Which isn’t really a unteachable skill. Who cares if u flap your arms around a bunch of you don’t have the ability to capitalize on it. Technique can be improved Gary has what can’t be which is why we use the world upside because his best football is ahead of him. I compared him to Donald of size, speed,strength and agility. Know what Donald is better than Gary at? Strengh that’s it.

Flap hands around? So if you belittle the technique you make it sound unimportant? If it’s so easy to learn, why hasn’t he learned it yet and why is he light hears behind Ferrell? I wouldn’t be mad if he fell to us but very concerned about the reasons why. Lack of motor would be first obvious reason, lack of production would be second. I wonder what else.

[Peon Awesome]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I mean I guess it depends on whoever you follow or trust, how they weigh prospects. The principles they follow to get to their conclusions, PFF is a very usual metric that I would use to help with selecting guys in the late rounds where it gets a little harder.

but they bank heavily on statistics, which have them much lower on athletes that don’t produce like Gary and D.K Metcalf, whom almost everyone but them have in the first.

I believe the most successful players are normally better athletes in some area so I like Norris and his method. He incorporates traits a,webs, sparks, measurable testings from players since data was kept. 

It's interesting that Norris mentions there are guys who tested well that were busts and someone like Welker who didn't but had a productive NFL career. But he doesn't give any examples of players who tested well without great college production and excelled in the NFL (at least in this small snippet you quoted).

I'm honestly just curious if you guys know of examples of players like that. I'm sure they exist but can't think of them off-hand. If we had a good number of those, there might be reason for optimism with Gary. 

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Flap hands around? So if you belittle the technique you make it sound unimportant? If it’s so easy to learn, why hasn’t he learned it yet and why is he light hears behind Ferrell? I wouldn’t be mad if he fell to us but very concerned about the reasons why. Lack of motor would be first obvious reason, lack of production would be second. I wonder what else.

I exaggerated.. but all the Arm techniques in the world wont matter if you dont have the ability to take advantage of it. Why hasn't he learned it? Why hadn't guys like Cam learned to read defenses like Brady or Manning. I believe guys who are superior athletes have always gotten by on dominating there  opposition with pure ability so much so they never thought it mattered. If you cant do that your forced to find answers sooner than these guys,who ultimately will have to in the league where everybody is good.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

It's interesting that Norris mentions there are guys who tested well that were busts and someone like Welker who didn't but had a productive NFL career. But he doesn't give any examples of players who tested well without great college production and excelled in the NFL (at least in this small snippet you quoted).

I'm honestly just curious if you guys know of examples of players like that. I'm sure they exist but can't think of them off-hand. If we had a good number of those, there might be reason for optimism with Gary. 

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/current-nfl-players-better-pros-than-college/ This info is hard to track down but here you go.

[JARROD]

I just don’t see how you draft a guy who may be a great athlete but did absolutely squat in college in the first 2 rounds?

hes a 3rd round guy at earliest. That’s where you draft great athletes that might grow into great football players,...

[Moo Daeng]

Every year. Ever single year. We forget and get caught up in the combine and combine numbers. Amnesia?

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, JARROD said:

I just don’t see how you draft a guy who may be a great athlete but did absolutely squat in college in the first 2 rounds?

hes a 3rd round guy at earliest. That’s where you draft great athletes that might grow into great football players,...

Because it works the other way as well.. Plenty of players peak in college because thats all they are capable of. Glenn Dorsey, lamicheal james, Nick Fairely, Manti teo, Trent Richardson. It's a gamble both ways but If your gonna gamble I choose the one who has the tools to do the job.

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Every year. Ever single year. We forget and get caught up in the combine and combine numbers. Amnesia?

It's easy to say I told you so on guys who fail with terrific combine numbers,It's no exact science it happens... What about the College Hall of Famers and stat kings that people say are just"football players" Tim The Golden Calf of Bristol, Matt Linehart, Danny Wurffel you can go on and on.

[panthers55]

Seems to me effort and desire are intangibles you have or don't. All athletes at this level have skill and athleticism. The difference is who wills themselves to be great. A guy like Gary hasn't show the desire which is a big negative for me. Ealy comes to mind. Had the ability but not the desire.

[micnificent28]

28 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Seems to me effort and desire are intangibles you have or don't. All athletes at this level have skill and athleticism. The difference is who wills themselves to be great. A guy like Gary hasn't show the desire which is a big negative for me. Ealy comes to mind. Had the ability but not the desire.

Not really Kony Ealy ran a 4.92...Not really a combine stud here... He's one of those good college football players who doesnt have the tools to dominate in the pros i gave examples of.

[panthers55]

25 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Not really Kony Ealy ran a 4.92...Not really a combine stud here... He's one of those good college football players who doesnt have the tools to dominate in the pros i gave examples of.

Could have used other examples of combine studs who failed but used Early because he had all the tools to be a dominant player like he flashed in the Superbowl but failed because of poor effort and lack of drive. The point is the same.