Opinion:Why Gary should be the pick if he falls

[Black&BlueBubba]

I do think I would rather take a chance on him than Dillard. 

[micnificent28]

13 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

I have no problem with the reward part its the risks that worries me the Panthers cant take a guy @16 with that low of a floor even with a some what high ceiling.  botch this draft and we will be looking at a new coach and GM looking to rebuild with their own players and schemes

At 16 they are all a gamble. The safer bets went top 5. How low is the floor on a guy like Gary? I think people think he’s a trash player, at worse he is really good vs the run   And end up kicking him inside like short? He’s to gifted to just be Vernon butler.. who we played it safe with went bpa and he still sucked. Thing is Ron needs to make the playoffs. They need a 10 sack impact guy. A rotational player or contributor won’t solve our pass rush problems they have to take a risk or they are gone anyway.

[micnificent28]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Virtually ever draft bust in the history the NFL had "upside".

I want football players, not workout warriors.

The football players have no upside at this point. You need a Star with this pick to replace peppers, we haven’t replaced big money we just keep floundering we our pass rush. We can’t afford just a guy. You want to be safe but just safe isn’t what we hve time for if your ron. IF you don’t improve that pass rush drastically your gone. You either trade up which most are against or you say well Ferrell is safe. Is he getting you 10 sacks this year? Who is more likely to get you 10 Ferrell who is a good player.

bur doesn’t have the tools to dominate at the next level?He’s a complimentary piece. Or Gary a guy who can dominate but hasn’t shown the same stats as what you call a good football player.  Either way your gambling taking a risk, And you have two questions to answer with both. Ferrell, can he get me 10 plus sacks? We know he will try and give you all the effort but we aren’t sure he can. With Gary it’s will he get me 10 plus sacks a year? Because he has all the tools to get it done but we don’t know if he will. 

I bet on Will he get it done everytime, talent and ability can’t be lit a fire under or coached, you either got it or you don’t.

[LinvilleGorge]

The football players have no upside at this point... L-O-fuging-L.

[45catfan]

I remember being a little iffy about the prospect of drafting Peppers because of the *knock* of taking plays off and whether or not his heart was really in it by some scouts.  Nobody questioned his freakish size or athletic abilities.  After seeing his career wrap up this past season 16 years later, I guess Pep's heart really was in it.

If Gary has the unquestionable talent, the team has to make sure they know his head is in it.  If so, I think we get an absolute steal if he slides to #16.

[micnificent28]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The football players have no upside at this point... L-O-fuging-L.

Limited upside* meaning there are holes in everyone’s game at this point dude come on use your head here. You know what I mean.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

Limited upside* meaning there are holes in everyone’s game at this point dude come on use your head here. You know what I mean.

Then type what you mean. Those were your exact words.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I remember being a little iffy about the prospect of drafting Peppers because of the *knock* of taking plays off and whether or not his heart was really in it by some scouts.  Nobody questioned his freakish size or athletic abilities.  After seeing his career wrap up this past season 16 years later, I guess Pep's heart really was in it.

If Gary has the unquestionable talent, the team has to make sure they know his head is in it.  If so, I think we get an absolute steal if he slides to #16.

This is what teams have to do with Gary. The physical talent is undeniable, but so is the lack of on-field production. My concern is that he's met with damn near every team holding a top 10 pick. If he starts falling, I think it's pretty obvious why.

[panther252]

Are we seriously in a position to be snubbing a player of Gary's talent? He could be amazing for us imo. He's very versatile with heavy hands and explosion you can't teach. His ability to pursuit and provide point of attack play is something all our guys suck at. Yes he has a bust factor to him, but aside from Butler we usually tend to develop our dlineman pretty well. I understand if the lack of sack production is a concern, but Watt didn't have much collegiate sack production either. A lot of his draft stock came from being a fantastic run defender with upside and simply destroying the combine, which Gary checks the boxes in. He also has a good motor, which you usually don't see in these kind of players. I don't know, I just would be fairly confident we'd be able to get a great panther if he were to be the pick. I'd have zero problems with him at 16 and would be pretty excited with how Ron and the staff would use him. 

[micnificent28]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is what teams have to do with Gary. The physical talent is undeniable, but so is the lack of on-field production. My concern is that he's met with damn near every team holding a top 10 pick. If he starts falling, I think it's pretty obvious why.

Didn’t this happen with Star tho? Derwin James as well.. or that weird case where the lineman for the cowboys was hit with a murder charge and went undrafted (Collins) for free? Point being teams get spoked and players can fall for crazy reasons, what another team ahead of you does doesn’t mean you should do it as well.

[micnificent28]

23 minutes ago, panther252 said:

Are we seriously in a position to be snubbing a player of Gary's talent? He could be amazing for us imo. He's very versatile with heavy hands and explosion you can't teach. His ability to pursuit and provide point of attack play is something all our guys suck at. Yes he has a bust factor to him, but aside from Butler we usually tend to develop our dlineman pretty well. I understand if the lack of sack production is a concern, but Watt didn't have much collegiate sack production either. A lot of his draft stock came from being a fantastic run defender with upside and simply destroying the combine, which Gary checks the boxes in. He also has a good motor, which you usually don't see in these kind of players. I don't know, I just would be fairly confident we'd be able to get a great panther if he were to be the pick. I'd have zero problems with him at 16 and would be pretty excited with how Ron and the staff would use him. 

Exactly.. we are picking at 16 not 1. Hell I would rather have bosa and Allen as well, but we are picking mid way through the first round. If this draft wasn’t as deep at edge I dout Gary would fall this far. This is a blessing.

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Didn’t this happen with Star tho? Derwin James as well.. or that weird case where the lineman for the cowboys was hit with a murder charge and went undrafted (Collins) for free? Point being teams get spoked and players can fall for crazy reasons, what another team ahead of you does doesn’t mean you should do it as well.

Star dropped due to a potential heart issue. James went right around where he was projected to go until he "shot up draft boards" after the Combine. A lot of these late "big movers" end up not moving much at all. Collins was involved in a murder investigation too close to the draft to clear it up. 

[Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth!]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I remember being a little iffy about the prospect of drafting Peppers because of the *knock* of taking plays off and whether or not his heart was really in it by some scouts.  Nobody questioned his freakish size or athletic abilities.  After seeing his career wrap up this past season 16 years later, I guess Pep's heart really was in it.

If Gary has the unquestionable talent, the team has to make sure they know his head is in it.  If so, I think we get an absolute steal if he slides to #16.

Julius Peppers started 34 games in UNC and had 30.5 sacks, 53 tackles for loss, 167 tackles, and 5 INT as a DE. He's ranked 2nd all-time in sacks behind another NFL legend Lawrence Taylor. There's no one in this draft that even matches Peppers productivity in college. I think people forget just how productive Peppers was in college because (as you've stated) he was given a stereotype as a laxidaisical player (It bared out sometimes with his years with the Panthers). The numbers don't like though. Athletically and statistically, Peppers was a very special talent. 

Gary as of right now has not shown me he is anywhere close to Peppers. He's a project. One I would not be against if we trade down or choose him for our 2nd pick (which won't happen).

[Ivan The Awesome]

Gary would be a reach at 16..