Don't believe that this is a weak WR class!

[top dawg]

7 hours ago, shaqattaq said:

I'd be fine with getting a WR day 3, maybe even in the 3rd round depending on how everything shakes out. Hogan signed a 1 year deal and cutting Wright next year (when he's 30) saves $3M. Good teams never stop preparing for the future.

Lord knows we have a lot more pressing matters though!

I'm not sold on either Wright, Smith (whom I am injecting) or Hogan to be honest. I think we'll just have to wait and see. The thing is, there are some things indicating that they both have slowed down, the least of which was last season. At 30 (or so), you have to start wondering if they're "done." But, I'd be surprised if last season was truly indicative of what they have left in the tank, especially with Torrey (being that he was injured). Hogan just may have been a case of Brady having his favorite receiver back and healthy (as well as another option in Dorsett). Like I said, either way we'll find out. 

Another thing to consider with both is Cam's arm and their skill set. If Cam unleashes his cannon like he used to, then Smith might just be more valuable. If Cam continues the last couple of years' status quo, then those shorter intermediate passes would probably fit Hogan's skill set very well. Moreover, as the more versatile receiver in general, Hogan just might be more valuable anyway, as over the years Smith has been markedly more of the one-trick pony. Smith's speed has been his calling card, and if that has diminished to the point where he is no longer helpful, then he will probably be toast sooner rather than later.

As for Wright, he's cheap and knows Norv's offense. Some seem to swear he's our WR3, but to me he has already proven what he is over a fairly long career, which is a 4th or 5th option. He's nice on third downs, but so are a lot of more complete receivers. He's expendable and JAG. I don't know why we guaranteed for two years as opposed to one, but no biggie. Perhaps the powers that be felt that it would be better to have him around for another year while the receivers transition to Norv's offense (not to mention Moore transitioning to the pros). 

[LinvilleGorge]

I doubt we will look WR early, but I wouldn't be surprised if we add a developmental WR late.

Sure looks like we've focused on shoring up the offense in free agency so we can go D heavy in the draft. Based on the strengths of this draft, I think that's a good call.

[steven8989]

2 hours ago, Palmetto said:

I don't know how good DK is going to be

But the GM has to trust is board or the real Question here should be why is he our GM

IF  DK is number 1 on the board when we pick and we believe he's a game changer draft him

Or trade the pick to somebody who does want him

But don't skip over a player because of A need that's a big  reach

that's how good players  get  passed over in the draft

I would rather have AJ Brown anyway 

We are not going after a wr first Rd lol, much less DK we haven't even had him I for a visit and Norv never went to look at anybody like they did DJ last year. Anyone thinking we take one first Rd is crazy.

[Trill OG]

lol people talking about DK Metcalf as a option now?

 

No way we take him, his combine numbers are unreal, but when you turn on the film he plays nothing like his combine. He has bust written all over him.

[Trill OG]

7 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

We are not going after a wr first Rd lol, much less DK we haven't even had him I for a visit and Norv never went to look at anybody like they did DJ last year. Anyone thinking we take one first Rd is crazy.

We finally agree on something. WR is out of the question for at least the first 2 rounds imo. I think it's possible we draft one in the later rounds though.

[Palmetto]

4 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

We are not going after a wr first Rd lol, much less DK we haven't even had him I for a visit and Norv never went to look at anybody like they did DJ last year. Anyone thinking we take one first Rd is crazy.

I'm not saying we are

All I'm saying is when 16 comes around if they have a WR rated #1 And you believe he's the next Hopkins you draft him before reaching for a need and end up with Dion Jordan , barkevious Mingo,

Or Dee Milner 

And the oppisite applies also if I needed a Wr and DE was rated high on my board  i would take the DE even if it wasn't a need

Instead of reaching for a Tayvon Austin or John Ross

 

[JARROD]

Parris Campbell yaw— that’s who we draft if it’s early. 

 

[Navy_football]

Rivera has already admitted to having a hard time figuring out how to get the ball to the guys we already have. I don't think it'd make sense to draft another young playmaker high that will need even more touches. Believe it or not, but with this staff, you actually can have too many weapons. They WANT to be a running, Time of Possession winning, bend-but-don't-break, defensive team. 

[Sub Zero]

2 hours ago, Palmetto said:

Good point

But would you take a developmental DE at 16?

I don't care If its Wr, G, T, Dt, LB, Cb

I just don't want them to pick a DE ONLY because we need one and end up with a limited player who never gets a new contract

I think Devin White could play OLB I would love him but he's probably going  in the top 10 maybe to Tampa 

Yes.. especially in the 1st.. Because just like a QB or LT i get the 5 years of development play at cheap prices.. Before they bump up to higher prices.. And these⅕ 3 position are the highest hit when they jump up.. Unlike WR, LB, and OG who if not elite can be had after their rookie deal for a reasonably price..

[Toomers]

23 hours ago, top dawg said:

The old "What makes them an expert?" question. How original. You figure that out for your damned self. I am not going to debate that.

Basically, you're full of poo as usual. In your zest to make me look like I haven't supported my opinion, you make poo up like you always do. You can't discuss anything with a person who can't even comprehend the written word, and/or obviously understand how to discriminate between what was actually said and what they hear. 

Now, for the last time: What I said is that Edge (DL, if you want to go that far) and OT (OL, if you like) are obviously our two biggest needs, and that if we can grab what many consider the top (or the ones whom they deem are the sure-fire bets [inasmuch as that can be determined]), then that's our best case scenario. Apparently, as deemed by many if not most, there is a little bit deeper level of talent with high floors and high ceilings particularly along the D-line than with most drafts. There is also a deeper pool of talent in general with guys that are more likely to be at least good pros defensively, and less so with the O-line, but there is good talent available. What I said is that if the top guys are gone, then who we pick becomes a little bit more speculative based upon our need at corner, safety, receiver, and tight end as well. I never said that WR is our third biggest need, but obviously---for example---if D.K. Metcalf is graded much higher than Greedy Williams then you get into trouble making picks based off of needs other than going with the BPA. If guys are close, then perhaps it's arguable and you pick the guy who you may be just a little less sure about...maybe. That's for the professionals to decide. Hell, it's all for the professionals to decide. 

You keep asking about Torrey Smith, but I said from the very beginning that he could be cut later on. Circumstances change. Don't be a fuging idiot! If he is cut or not, I don't think that it's worth crying about. He's still on a relatively cheap contract. 

I've always maintained that I'm up for an upgrade at any position, especially wide receiver. I've also maintained my philosophy of drafting the BPA, particularly towards the top of the draft, and then maybe take some chances---get cute---based upon need the closer you get to the bottom (if you deem it worth the risk). I have said this for several drafts now---really ever since I've been closely following it. 

Stop making poo up and learn to comprehend what you read. I just think that you obviously have some overarching need to make those that you disagree with look like they don't know what the hell they're talking about at all costs. You can't be that daft. Stop putting words in people's mouths, thoughts in their heads, and quit refusing to acknowledge what they are actually saying in order to justify your opinion! It's not cute.

It would be more intelligent of you to say "I don't think that WR is a need based upon [this, this, and this], and I know that it flies in the face of many of the analysts' opinions, but I still feel that way," than to pound your fists on the desk and say "Wide receiver is a strength, and you and everyone else that don't think so are idiots!"

Why the fug is that so hard to understand with you? What the hell is wrong with you? 

 

Gotta love these. 

 You don’t like questioning writers, which you won’t name, because most of these draft “experts” have never played a down of football. Much like yourself. Which explains the connect. So you have to rely on them because you are incapable of making intelligent judgements on your own. 

  You said it was arguable after OL/DL. Are you seriously denying that? Problem is, you haven’t made one statement about how it’s a bigger need than any position on the team. If insurance is the goal, QB, RB would be before that. Our two top 40 pick starting WRs are a much better group than holes throughout the roster. And how much rambling about what people seem to think. What do YOU think? It’s hard to determine if it’s your statements or some random guy in his Moms basement who started a site for kicks. You just think that if you post constantly and throw a wall of text and something you don’t understand, people won’t realize how little you know. Show me where you explained how WR was a bigger need than anything? Besides your massive flip on Torrey’s ability and value. What circumstances changed in a month besides adding a WR4 to take his place hopefully. If he was a good value(your words) then, what happened? Narratives? Flawed Theories? 

 Show me anything I made up? Anything? 

 I would disagree with some analysts if I saw anything at all from a specific, credible analyst. But those have been brought to this thread. It would probably save time though as any disagreement with you is actually a disagreement with whoever you decided to get your opinion from that day. 

  The only thing wrong is people like you acting like you know football at any level. Then just grasping onto anything you can find from any random writer to agree with you. I quoted a specific post. NOT YOURS. But you flipped out and flat-out made up a post about Chris Hogan like I mentioned him at all. You started this to defend your ridiculous theory. Then sit here and try and accuse me of doing this to you. Let’s go back through this thread and see who did that to whom and see where the hypocrisy began. 

  Just ignore me as I was you. If I wanted your opinion, I would have quoted you. So go your way and I’ll go mine. I would rather discuss with knowledgeable fans than “it could happen” daydreamers. And you seem to favor the latter. So let’s be done with it. 

[top dawg]

38 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Gotta love these. 

 You don’t like questioning writers, which you won’t name, because most of these draft “experts” have never payed a down of football. Much like yourself. So you have to rely on them because you are incapable of making intelligent judgements on your own. 

  You said it was arguable after OL/DL. Are you seriously denying that? Problem is, you haven’t made one statement about how it’s a bigger need than any position on the team. If insurance is the goal, QB, RB would be before that. Our two top 40 pick starting WRs are a much better group than holes throughout the roster. And how much rambling about what people seem to think. What do YOU think? It’s hard to determine if it’s your statements or some random guy in his Moms basement who started a site for kicks. You just think that if you post constantly and throw a wall of text and something you don’t understand, people won’t realize how little you know. Show me where you explained how WR was a bigger need than anything? Besides your massive flip on Torrey’s ability and value. What circumstances changed in a month besides adding a WR4 to take his place hopefully. If he was a good value(your words) then, what happened? Narratives? Flawed Theories? 

 Show me anything I made up? Anything? 

 I would disagree with some analysts if I saw anything at all from a specific, credible analyst. But those have been brought to this thread. It would probably save time though as any disagreement with you is actually a disagreement with whoever you decided to get your opinion from that day. 

  The only thing wrong is people like you acting like you know football at any level. Then just grasping onto anything you can find from any random writer to agree with you. I quoted a specific post. NOT YOURS. But you flipped out and flat-out made up a post about Chris Hogan like I mentioned him at all. You started this to defend your ridiculous theory. Then sit here and try and accuse me of doing this to you. Let’s go back through this thread and see who did that to whom and see where the hypocrisy began. 

  Just ignore me as I was you. If I wanted your opinion, I would have quoted you. So go your way and I’ll go mine. I would rather discuss with knowledgeable fans than “it could happen” daydreamers. And you seem to favor the latter. So let’s be done with it. 

That's fine with me.

But, before I ignore your ass, let me inform you that I played football before. If I was over my mom's house, I might even go through one of her many albums and look for a pic. I was 13 and 14 years old in Shaker Heights, Ohio. Now of course being a kid, I had a lot to learn and ultimately got sidetracked and got into other things, but I absolutely played football. I played tail back on offense and defensive end on defense. So, there goes your theory of me not playing football on any level. Furthermore, I reject your insinuation that it takes playing football to know football, and even more so to form an intelligent, rational opinion, that is well supported (even if you don't agree with it). 

Yep, the written record is here, and that's one of the things I love about writing: People can attempt to twist your words all they like, but the truth is in the black and white.

 

 

[top dawg]

Motherfuger just gonna straight up lie about what you're saying, and then try and feign some moral superiority. Gotdam! 

 

[DeAngelo Beason]

We didn't have a single 1,000 receiver yet again, and a running back led the team in receiving (by design, granted)... WR is NOT a luxury position for this team.  

[chbright]

It's a meh wr class at best. As always a few OMG athletes with meh production. The 2 that intrigue me are Emanuel Hall and Miles Boykins.

 

Hall is a big Tavon Austin, Cordarrelle Patterson, can be gone like Ted Ginn. Creates separation with speed and suddenness. Wild but his sick broad jump, vert, speed performance at the combine was expected. Sucks he didn't do the shuttle or cone drills. True home run threat.  Mizzou isnt the wr development center but his production is against SEC opponents so not a small school wizard. Lots of production from WRs over the years that didn't translate (recient past) at Mizzou. Not a blocker, nor hands catcher (big issue here imo keeping him out of day 2 or 1). Air raid guy and not a real route tree. You want a Ginn replacement, he is 100% your guy. Torry Smith hits the unemployment line the second this guy is drafted. Could return kicks, would like to have seen him field punts as a ST guy. That speed and suddenness makes him a candidate for a returner but the hands.......

 

Boykins tape doesn't show the top gear but does show better hands (hand catcher with big radius), good climbing the ladder, and more than a willing blocker (linebackers beware), don't play off him at the line. Issues tracking the ball downfield slows him down nullifying that top gear, maddening issues getting off the line, inconsistent route sharpness. For a big strong dude, easy to stop him with press or anything physicality off the snap. Maybe he develops maybe not, but sticks as ST player, 5th wr, jump ball specialist year 1, and hope for more later.

 

In round 4, I'd bite depending on what else is there obviously. 5th definitely. These guys have ST and specialist qualities year 1, with upside for more. 5th round worth the risk. 4th meh I could be see it if you feel you can develop the guy's deficiencies.