Don't believe that this is a weak WR class!

[Toomers]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

I didn't say it was a huge need, I said it was a need, and I've done nothing but defend why.  If you can't see it, that's your personal problem. Personally, I don't give a fug what you think about whether I know the players or not, and I certainly know that you don't know the players better than a professional. It's the same old typical bullshit argument from you when someone disagrees with your opinion. I already said that you have a right to believe what you want. I understand why you believe what you do, I just don't agree with it, and not many outside of the Huddle do either, certainly not the experts.

You stated only OL and DL were bigger needs. Since it was “arguable” WR was a bigger need than anything after those, why not just say why? Why is insurance at WR more important than starters at other positions? You haven’t stated one word to compare anything. Just normal deflection. 

 And what the resume’ of all these “professionals” from Bleacher Report and such. Have they ever played football? Coached? Anything? Have you? I can’t imagine putting my faith in an unknown in his Moms basement. With as close as any of us follow the team, why would you need someone else to justify our team needs. I guess that’s how it is for people that never played or coached. Just hope someone else tells you what’s going on. 

  And once again, what about Torrey? How did the narrative go from he’s a valuable piece at 5M being our WR4, to so bad that WR is a top 3 need? Or are you going to continue to ignore this hypocrisy you’re swimming in. 

[shaqattaq]

On 4/11/2019 at 11:45 PM, top dawg said:

Now I'm not saying that we should draft a receiver in the first because there is likely better value at another position, but there are likely excellent values on day 2 (and if we're lucky, day 3).

I'd be fine with getting a WR day 3, maybe even in the 3rd round depending on how everything shakes out. Hogan signed a 1 year deal and cutting Wright next year (when he's 30) saves $3M. Good teams never stop preparing for the future.

Lord knows we have a lot more pressing matters though!

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

You stated only OL and DL were bigger needs. Since it was “arguable” WR was a bigger need than anything after those, why not just say why? Why is insurance at WR more important than starters at other positions? You haven’t stated one word to compare anything. Just normal deflection. 

 And what the resume’ of all these “professionals” from Bleacher Report and such. Have they ever played football? Coached? Anything? Have you? I can’t imagine putting my faith in an unknown in his Moms basement. With as close as any of us follow the team, why would you need someone else to justify our team needs. I guess that’s how it is for people that never played or coached. Just hope someone else tells you what’s going on. 

  And once again, what about Torrey? How did the narrative go from he’s a valuable piece at 5M being our WR4, to so bad that WR is a top 3 need? Or are you going to continue to ignore this hypocrisy you’re swimming in. 

The old "What makes them an expert?" question. How original. You figure that out for your damned self. I am not going to debate that.

Basically, you're full of poo as usual. In your zest to make me look like I haven't supported my opinion, you make poo up like you always do. You can't discuss anything with a person who can't even comprehend the written word, and/or obviously understand how to discriminate between what was actually said and what they hear. 

Now, for the last time: What I said is that Edge (DL, if you want to go that far) and OT (OL, if you like) are obviously our two biggest needs, and that if we can grab what many consider the top (or the ones whom they deem are the sure-fire bets [inasmuch as that can be determined]), then that's our best case scenario. Apparently, as deemed by many if not most, there is a little bit deeper level of talent with high floors and high ceilings particularly along the D-line than with most drafts. There is also a deeper pool of talent in general with guys that are more likely to be at least good pros defensively, and less so with the O-line, but there is good talent available. What I said is that if the top guys are gone, then who we pick becomes a little bit more speculative based upon our need at corner, safety, receiver, and tight end as well. I never said that WR is our third biggest need, but obviously---for example---if D.K. Metcalf is graded much higher than Greedy Williams then you get into trouble making picks based off of needs other than going with the BPA. If guys are close, then perhaps it's arguable and you pick the guy who you may be just a little less sure about...maybe. That's for the professionals to decide. Hell, it's all for the professionals to decide. 

You keep asking about Torrey Smith, but I said from the very beginning that he could be cut later on. Circumstances change. Don't be a fuging idiot! If he is cut or not, I don't think that it's worth crying about. He's still on a relatively cheap contract. 

I've always maintained that I'm up for an upgrade at any position, especially wide receiver. I've also maintained my philosophy of drafting the BPA, particularly towards the top of the draft, and then maybe take some chances---get cute---based upon need the closer you get to the bottom (if you deem it worth the risk). I have said this for several drafts now---really ever since I've been closely following it. 

Stop making poo up and learn to comprehend what you read. I just think that you obviously have some overarching need to make those that you disagree with look like they don't know what the hell they're talking about at all costs. You can't be that daft. Stop putting words in people's mouths, thoughts in their heads, and quit refusing to acknowledge what they are actually saying in order to justify your opinion! It's not cute.

It would be more intelligent of you to say "I don't think that WR is a need based upon [this, this, and this], and I know that it flies in the face of many of the analysts' opinions, but I still feel that way," than to pound your fists on the desk and say "Wide receiver is a strength, and you and everyone else that don't think so are idiots!"

Why the fug is that so hard to understand with you? What the hell is wrong with you? 

 

[Palmetto]

If DK is there I'm thinking the Panthers take him

A lot of people here would be up set but we could potentially have the best  set of Wrs in a couple of years

1998 Vikings type of attack

 

[Khyber53]

Folks, we actually have a multitude of weapons on offense. Truthfully, our O-line isn't even that bad.

Last year, even with Cam's shoulder giving out, we could have won quite a few of the losses had our defense been able to do anything.

I hate to say it, but we have to invest in getting a pass rush, a great nickel DB and a free safety that can range the field and steal passes.

I'd love to see us lock up our next Jordan Gross at LT, but short of doing exactly that, we need to invest in young, fast and motivated pass rushers.

Anything less than that and we're looking at losing a lot of games 32-35.

[Palmetto]

7 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Folks, we actually have a multitude of weapons on offense. Truthfully, our O-line isn't even that bad.

Last year, even with Cam's shoulder giving out, we could have won quite a few of the losses had our defense been able to do anything.

I hate to say it, but we have to invest in getting a pass rush, a great nickel DB and a free safety that can range the field and steal passes.

I'd love to see us lock up our next Jordan Gross at LT, but short of doing exactly that, we need to invest in young, fast and motivated pass rushers.

Anything less than that and we're looking at losing a lot of games 32-35.

I agree but if A Wr is number one on your board and a DE is 12.. pick the Wr

We could be winning games 35-32 also

I would love to trade back and get Winovich and Zack Allen  tho

[Sub Zero]

59 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

If DK is there I'm thinking the Panthers take him

A lot of people here would be up set but we could potentially have the best  set of Wrs in a couple of years

1998 Vikings type of attack

 

Why?? So we waste another pick on a complete bust wating to happen..

[Palmetto]

22 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

Why?? So we waste another pick on a complete bust wating to happen..

I don't know how good DK is going to be

But the GM has to trust is board or the real Question here should be why is he our GM

IF  DK is number 1 on the board when we pick and we believe he's a game changer draft him

Or trade the pick to somebody who does want him

But don't skip over a player because of A need that's a big  reach

that's how good players  get  passed over in the draft

I would rather have AJ Brown anyway 

[Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth!]

The top WR this year have major injury questions. Metcalf and Hollywood Brown. Look around the top ten of the last few years and look at their injury history in college. It, unfortunately, translates to the NFL. Cory Davis, John Ross, Mike Williams, Kevin White missing significant time. 

[Sub Zero]

10 minutes ago, Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth! said:

The top WR this year have major injury questions. Metcalf and Hollywood Brown. Look around the top ten of the last few years and look at their injury history in college. It, unfortunately, translates to the NFL. Cory Davis, John Ross, Mike Williams, Kevin White missing significant time. 

Not to mention Metcalf route tree experience looks like stick..

[Palmetto]

15 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

Not to mention Metcalf route tree experience looks like stick..

LIike i said before  would rather have AJ Brown

If he's tops on the board when they pick when ever that is

When it comes to Metcalf that's why coaches get paid

 

[Palmetto]

Not camparing these guys to Hopkins but how many team would pick him over thier 2013 pick

He would go in the top 5 no matter  the team needs Qb ,DE, OL ,CB   a lot of those picks were reaches because of need

[Sub Zero]

45 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

LIike i said before  would rather have AJ Brown

If he's tops on the board when they pick when ever that is

When it comes to Metcalf that's why coaches get paid

 

AJ Brown line up in the slot exclusively so he is also a flawed prospects.. Thats why i don't want a WR till day 3.. IF i have to draft a developmental player Id rather do it later in the draft..

[Palmetto]

30 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

AJ Brown line up in the slot exclusively so he is also a flawed prospects.. Thats why i don't want a WR till day 3.. IF i have to draft a developmental player Id rather do it later in the draft..

Good point

But would you take a developmental DE at 16?

I don't care If its Wr, G, T, Dt, LB, Cb

I just don't want them to pick a DE ONLY because we need one and end up with a limited player who never gets a new contract

I think Devin White could play OLB I would love him but he's probably going  in the top 10 maybe to Tampa