Panthers have spent "considerable time" with Will Grier

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Go back to the initial post.

Did I say there's a good chance that were drafting Grier or did I say there's a good chance that we're drafting a quarterback"?

Yeah, I like Grier, but he's not the only option.

And while Igo may like to stir the pot, he's actually correct here. As you've acknowledged above, we don't really know what Newton's shoulder looks like right now. Things we do know: 1) It looked bad last year 2) He's had another surgery on it since, and 3) An NFL season is a very long, grueling process even for somebody who's perfectly healthy.

I don't know what shape the Panthers contingency plans are going to take, but I do know that given the current circumstances, they're idiots if they don't make one.

Do we really think that a rookie 3rd rounder is likely to be a better option than Allen next year? I honestly doubt it. IF Cam's should is shot and IF we draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd, I think it's highly likely we're looking at a high 1st round pick this time next year and looking QB with it. 

[MillionDollarCam]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who's to say they're not?

I don't think the Panthers have brought any of those in for visits (at least not that I saw) but again, we don't know.

I would have figured that info would have leaked.

Anywho I don’t have a problem drafting a QB in the first round if the brass believes Newton won’t be able to play. There’s no reason to throw the season when we have a decent foundation in place.

However, just going off of what is being reported it seems more likely that we may be preparing to be without Cam for one or two games rather than a full season.

[Shocker]

12 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Stidham is interesting.

That completion percentage dropped drastically this year but his TD/INT ratio was almost identical. I'd also say that the drop in his completion percentage could also be due to the fact that Auburn had to be pretty darn close to having the worst drop rate in the NCAA last year, his receivers dropped everything.

The offense he was in this year was pretty basic and boring (similar to the offense that Clausen was in) but he did show the prior year that he has the ability to not only make NFL throws but also cycle through his reads.

I'd prefer Grier but I wouldn't take a QB before the 4th round. Stidham could more than likely be had in the 5th.

I have to say it, he was virtually invisible for Auburn last year.  If he is picked it would astonishing me.  He just is not good at all.

I personally don’t like Grier’s skill set either but he is light years better than Stidham.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Do we really think that a rookie 3rd rounder is likely to be a better option than Allen next year? I honestly doubt it. IF Cam's should is shot and IF we draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd, I think it's highly likely we're looking at a high 1st round pick this time next year and looking QB with it. 

Again, it's not what we think. It's what the Panthers think.

Which do you think Norv Turner is more likely to say? "We may as well give up if Cam goes down" or "Yeah I can get a guy ready if we need to"?

I'd add that with Allen, we've only seen him in one game that was under weird circumstances and he went undrafted for a reason. All he's earned at this point is the chance to compete for the backup spot, not the role of heir apparent.

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At some point though I think the bubble will pop, at least for non-elite QBs. At some point, NFL teams have to wake up and realize that paying the Kirk Cousins of the world like top tier QBs is hurting your ability to put a winning team on the field more than it's helping that ability.

You could be right, but who knows? The only contracts that seem to be going in the other direction now are for running backs because teams have realized you no longer have to break the bank for a running game. Pretty much every other high value position just keeps going up. No clue when that will change direction.

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is why a lot of teams are now trying to build Super Bowl winners while their QB is still on a rookie contract.

And yes, that could be us too.

Nothing would make me happier than for us to luck into drafting a prolific passer after Newton is finished. But the realist in me knows the odds, and I've seen enough bad teams throw poo at the wall for several years before that finally even comes close to actually happening. 

I support the Panthers, and Hornets regardless. I grew up with these teams. If they suck they suck, I'll just handle it and roll with the punches. People allow sports to define their lives too much. At the end of the day the outcome is the outcome, I talk poo here from time to time because that's pretty much all social media is nowadays. But beyond that I don't let these games ruin my life. Athletes go on living, and so will we.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, it's not what we think. It's what the Panthers think.

Which do you think Norv Turner is more likely to say? "We may as well give up if Cam goes down" or "Yeah I can get a guy ready if we need to"?

Yeah, we all know what we think doesnt matter. There's no reason to bring that up. We're just spitballing here.

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I would have figured that info would have leaked.

Anywho I don’t have a problem drafting a QB in the first round if the brass believes Newton won’t be able to play. There’s no reason to throw the season when we have a decent foundation in place.

However, just going off of what is being reported it seems more likely that we may be preparing to be without Cam for one or two games rather than a full season.

If I were going by what I've seen, I'd say they believe Newton will be able to play but they're planning just in case he can't. And yes, they might also be looking at a potential successor. It makes sense given his contract and injury status.

And frankly, I have no issue with that. It's perfectly logical.

[MillionDollarCam]

Just now, Shocker said:

I have to say it, he was virtually invisible for Auburn last year.  If he is picked it would astonishing me.  He just is not good at all.

Personally, I think it’s the offense they were running. At times I felt like I was watching our offense with Clausen when all they had him throwing was screen passes.

He looked ‘okay’ the previous year.

I think he’s the definition of a game manager QB. Won’t helo you, won’t hurt you, so you better have playmakers at other positions.

[MillionDollarCam]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

If I were going by what I've seen, I'd say they believe Newton will be able to play but they're planning just in case he can't. And yes, they might also be looking at a potential successor. It makes sense given his contract and injury status.

And frankly, I have no issue with that. It's perfectly logical.

I don’t think you look for a potential successor in the 5th and 6th round.

If they pick Grier then sure, he has the intangibles to be a starting QB (in my opinion)

But Stidham and Thorson? Taking either of those two would seem like we are taking a QB just to say we did.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, we all know what we think doesnt matter. There's no reason to bring that up. We're just spitballing here.

 

I also addressed the other part of your post but you might not have seen it.

Kyle Allen is still way more of an unknown than a known. We've only seen him play one game and that game was under quirky circumstances. Assuming that we know he's good enough to take the reins if needed is a reach.

Allen hasn't earned the backup spot. He's only earned the chance to compete for it. That's it. I wouldn't even call it a guarantee that he makes the team next year.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You could be right, but who knows? The only contracts that seem to be going in the other direction now are for running backs because teams have realized you no longer have to break the bank for a running game. Pretty much every other high value position just keeps going up. No clue when that will change direction.

The trigger happiness of many owners to fire coaches and GMs creates an environment where many of these guys are working in desperation mode. Not urgency, straight up desperation. When you're desperate, you're a lot more likely to panic and do something stupid. I hope that Hurney and Rivera aren't feeling desperate, but I think it's likely that they are.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MillionDollarCam said:

I don’t think you look for a potential successor in the 5th and 6th round.

If they pick Grier then sure, he has the intangibles to be a starting QB (in my opinion)

But Stidham and Thorson? Taking either of those two would seem like we are taking a QB just to say we did.

I don't either, which is why I think we could be looking at taking a quarterback higher than that.

And we obviously can't assume that the only guys on the draft board are guys we brought in for visits.

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

If this year counts and the Panthers thought there was something really wrong with Newton don’t you’d think that Haskins, Lock, etc. would be options?

I’m not saying Grier won’t be good but third round QB’s usually don’t start from day one.

Valid question that (putting my GM hat on) has a complicated answer.  IF is the key word--IF Cam is "done", we would not tip our hand now.  IF his shoulder is OK, they won't know for sure until it has lasted an entire season.  Is there such a thing as a developmental QB any more?  IF they do not know, then you build your OL and defense (our plan, it seems) and squeeze in a game manager.  Grier is very smart and can learn quickly (if needed in his rookie season) and manage games.  To me, that is what they are doing. 

IF Cam plays well this season and next, has he progressed from a big, running, inaccurate  QB to a 31-year old pocket passer?  Will he be worth $30m in 2021?  If Grier is developing and we do not need a stud athlete at QB, we need a smart, accurate game manager like Brees--is that an option we might make?

Grier give us options if Cam is healthy or if he is not.  The best strategy imo is to protect the qb and surround him with weapons and a good D. 

We are really in the dark. Many will be upset that I suggest post-Cam options, but that is the real world and it gives you options.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I also addressed the other part of your post but you might not have seen it.

Kyle Allen is still way more of an unknown than a known. We've only seen him play one game and that game was under quirky circumstances. Assuming that we know he's good enough to take the reins if needed is a reach.

Allen hasn't earned the backup spot. He's only earned the chance to compete for it. That's it. I wouldn't even call it a guarantee that he makes the team next year.

Allen is a lot more known than any QB in the draft. I don't think he's our answer as Cam's successor and I'm all for trying to upgrade that spot, I just hope we don't force it and I hope we don't look past better prospect at other positions of need to take a stab at a QB we may or may not even need.