Panthers have spent "considerable time" with Will Grier

[joeyxfresco]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fixing the line now doesn't undo past damage.

And again, if Newton isn't healthy, that doesn't mean you write this season off. You still have to try and win this year regardless of who's hurt. 

Yeah, you still try to win and plug in holes that matter. The drop off between Kyle Allen and Kyle Grier isn’t too big. Also, why throw in any back up QB behind our terrible oline the way it currently stands? Why risk taking a top QB this year who’s development will be crippled by a horrible Oline. Taking Grier or a QB with one of our first 4 picks makes ZERO sense from whatever angle you look at it. A day three QB is way more reasonable 

[BuckNaked]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Some of you still have not come to terms with the completely obvious.

 

Cam could not throw the ball over 20 yards for half the season. Since then, he has had another shoulder procedure.

The situation is completely and utterly volatile. There is an equal chance that Cam is done as there is that Cam will be able to last a season. 

Now pretend your job depends on the Panthers performance this year. You ok with that 50% chance or will you at least make it look like you recognized the problem and planned for a contingency to ownership?

That's the problem, you shouldn't have people in charge that dont care about the long term goals of the organization.   They should have been let go already.

[TheRed]

Fixing the OL now as best as you absolutely can makes not only Newton's life as a QB better, it does the same for whichever QB is up next on the list.

The name of the QB up next doesn't matter if he's on IR by the end of the game. It's fugging bizarre how quickly memories fade around here of watching Heinicke get destroyed behind our OL just because we beat the Saints the following week in a game they couldn't be bothered to try to even win once they were guaranteed a home playoff berth. 

[LinvilleGorge]

The bottom line is that none of us have enough info on Cam's shoulder yo know what's going on on. Medical professionals with all the info would likely still come up with differing opinions. Hell, the Dolphins failed Drew Brees' physical due to shoulder concerns and he went on to rewrite the record books.

I think it's smart to hedge our bets if the right opportunity presents itself.

It's also worth noting for the audience that Mr. Scot is a Will Grier fanboy and Igo loves stirring the pot for clicks (and likely his own entertainment, can't blame him for either to he honest).

[MillionDollarCam]

I don’t think it’s as easy as speaking in absolutes (i.e. Cam is either okay or he isn’t). If it was that easy we’d be talking about drafting Dwayne Haskins with our first round pick.

Cam may very well miss part of camp and all of the preseason but if the Panthers feel like he’s only going to miss a couple games (if any), they aren’t going to spend a first, second, or possibly even third round pick on a player who won’t help them reach their immediate goal of winning a Super Bowl. Hurney is obviously opting for a quick overhaul rather than a complete rebuild so it’s unlikely he addresseses future needs with picks that could make an immediate impact.

We seem really enamored with Grier and may very well take him if he’s there in the third if we view him as a franchise QB but with the other QB’s we are looking at it seems that we are more interested in a short term stop gap (if Cam isn’t ready) rather than a full contingency plan should Cam not be able to play.

It may come as a surprise to some but drafting Grier, Thorson, Stidham, etc. doesn’t preclude us from drafting Herbert next year if the other three obviously aren’t NFL material.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, joeyxfresco said:

Yeah, you still try to win and plug in holes that matter. The drop off between Kyle Allen and Kyle Grier isn’t too big. Also, why throw in any back up QB behind our terrible oline the way it currently stands? Why risk taking a top QB this year who’s development will be crippled by a horrible Oline. Taking Grier or a QB with one of our first 4 picks makes ZERO sense from whatever angle you look at it. A day three QB is way more reasonable 

Because again, this year counts. And the notion that we're just going to call this year a wash because one of our important players is hurt is silly.

As Gantt pointed out, there's not just Newton's health to consider. There's also the fact that he only has two years left on his current deal and might be looking for more than the Panthers are willing to pay. Anyone assuming Tepper is just going to write a blank check is dreaming.

Regardless of whether people want to acknowledge it or not, there is a real possibility the Panthers draft a QB this year, and draft one high. It could be Grier, it could be somebody else. Regardless ask who it is though, they're not just going to be a throwaway player and this is not going to be a throwaway season.

 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because again, this year counts. And the notion that we're just going to call this year a wash because one of our important players is hurt is silly.

As Gantt pointed out, there's not just Newton's health to consider. There's also the fact that he only has two years left on his current deal and might be looking for more than the Panthers are willing to pay. Anyone assuming Tepper is just going to write a blank check is dreaming.

Regardless of whether people want to acknowledge it or not, there is a real possibility the Panthers draft a QB this year, and draft one high. It could be Grier, it could be somebody else. Regardless ask who it is though, they're not just going to be a throwaway player and this is not going to be a throwaway season.

 

Any QB we happen to acquire after Newton is eventually going to be wanting "more than we are willing to pay". That's the QB market. It isn't 2011 anymore dude. The days of hoping journeymen QB's like Billy Volek will take us to the promised land for peanuts are long gone. Get used to it or watch a different sport.

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The bottom line is that none of us have enough info on Cam's shoulder yo know what's going on on. Medical professionals with all the info would likely still come up with differing opinions. Hell, the Dolphins failed Drew Brees' physical due to shoulder concerns and he went on to rewrite the record books.

I think it's smart to hedge our bets if the right opportunity presents itself.

It's also worth noting for the audience that Mr. Scot is a Will Grier fanboy and Igo loves stirring the pot for clicks (and likely his own entertainment, can't blame him for either to he honest).

Go back to the initial post.

Did I say there's a good chance that were drafting Grier or did I say there's a good chance that we're drafting a quarterback"?

Yeah, I like Grier, but he's not the only option.

And while Igo may like to stir the pot, he's actually correct here. As you've acknowledged above, we don't really know what Newton's shoulder looks like right now. Things we do know: 1) It looked bad last year 2) He's had another surgery on it since, and 3) An NFL season is a very long, grueling process even for somebody who's perfectly healthy.

I don't know what shape the Panthers contingency plans are going to take, but I do know that given the current circumstances, they're idiots if they don't make one.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Any QB we happen to acquire after Newton is eventually going to be wanting "more than we are willing to pay". That's the QB market. It isn't 2011 anymore dude. The days of hoping journeymen QB's like Billy Volek will take us to the promised land for peanuts are long gone. Get used to it or watch a different sport.

Which is why a lot of teams are now trying to build Super Bowl winners while their QB is still on a rookie contract.

And yes, that could be us too.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Any QB we happen to acquire after Newton is eventually going to be wanting "more than we are willing to pay". That's the QB market. It isn't 2011 anymore dude. The days of hoping journeymen QB's like Billy Volek will take us to the promised land for peanuts are long gone. Get used to it or watch a different sport.

At some point though I think the bubble will pop, at least for non-elite QBs. At some point, NFL teams have to wake up and realize that paying the Kirk Cousins of the world like top tier QBs is hurting your ability to put a winning team on the field more than it's helping that ability.

[MillionDollarCam]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because again, this year counts. And the notion that we're just going to call this year a wash because one of our important players is hurt is silly.

As Gantt pointed out, there's not just Newton's health to consider. There's also the fact that he only has two years left on his current deal and might be looking for more than the Panthers are willing to pay. Anyone assuming Tepper is just going to write a blank check is dreaming.

Regardless of whether people want to acknowledge it or not, there is a real possibility the Panthers draft a QB this year, and draft one high. It could be Grier, it could be somebody else. Regardless ask who it is though, they're not just going to be a throwaway player and this is not going to be a throwaway season.

 

If this year counts and the Panthers thought there was something really wrong with Newton don’t you’d think that Haskins, Lock, etc. would be options?

I’m not saying Grier won’t be good but third round QB’s usually don’t start from day one.

[joeyxfresco]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Because again, this year counts. And the notion that we're just going to call this year a wash because one of our important players is hurt is silly.

As Gantt pointed out, there's not just Newton's health to consider. There's also the fact that he only has two years left on his current deal and might be looking for more than the Panthers are willing to pay. Anyone assuming Tepper is just going to write a blank check is dreaming.

Regardless of whether people want to acknowledge it or not, there is a real possibility the Panthers draft a QB this year, and draft one high. It could be Grier, it could be somebody else. Regardless ask who it is though, they're not just going to be a throwaway player and this is not going to be a throwaway season.

 

We. Are. Going. In. Circles. 

A QB with a top pick is less valuable to the team than filling another hole. How many times and from how many different viewpoint do I have iterate this?

 

Panthers - Cam + Grier -(!) the hole left from not drafting a position of need = bad. 

Panthers - Cam + Allen +(!) another player with a top pick = competitive. 

Panthers + Grier = Panthers + Allen

How much more simple can I make it?

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

If this year counts and the Panthers thought there was something really wrong with Newton don’t you’d think that Haskins, Lock, etc. would be options?

I’m not saying Grier won’t be good but third round QB’s usually don’t start from day one.

Who's to say they're not?

I don't think the Panthers have brought any of those in for visits (at least not that I saw) but again, we don't know what their plans might be.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, joeyxfresco said:

We. Are. Going. In. Circles. 

A QB with a top pick is less valuable to the team than filling another hole. How many times and from how many different viewpoint do I have iterate this?

Panthers - Cam + Grier -(!) the hole left from not drafting a position of need = bad. 

Panthers - Cam + Allen +(!) another player with a top pick = competitive. 

Panthers + Grier = Panthers + Allen

How much more simple can I make it?

To you, not necessarily to the Panthers.

Norv Turner said early in the offseason that they couldn't go into this year like they did last year. They recognized they need a back-up plan in case Newton isn't healthy. It's also been made clear by more than one insider that the Panthers would rather go to the draft than sign a veteran.

Do you really think they're doing all this due diligence on various draftable quarterbacks for no reason?