Panthers have spent "considerable time" with Will Grier

[hepcat]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Neither of our 2 backup quarterbacks were able to finish their start behind this OL without getting injured. Think the trenches might be a big factor for our upcoming season?

Arguing that anyone here would be fine with watching the Panthers lose as long as Cam remains the QB is the same sort of buffoonery that was put on full display here many years ago before we even drafted #1.

I mean obviously the O-Line was a big problem. They seem to know that and are working to address it. Wouldn't be surprised if OL was the 1st or 2nd round pick. But the fact still remains that Cam has a likely permanent shoulder problem and a backup and potentially long term replacement needs to be address and probably this offseason.

[SetfreexX]

11 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I mean, it's true. Cam was throwing noodle arm ducks at the end of the season. I'd be THRILLED if pre-shoulder injury Cam showed up in 2019. But we don't have a time machine and father time is undefeated. I'd be fine if the Panthers drafted Grier or another QB prospect as high as the 3rd round, hell maybe even the 2nd round. 

The people who'd bitch about drafting a QB are the same people who are going to bitch that the Panthers didn't draft a QB when Cam's arm falls off early in the season and the Panthers trot out Kyle Allen who proves to be no better than Brian St. Pierre.

Panthers are being SMART for a change and looking at the future. QB1 had serious throwing arm issues last season. They aren't giving up on him. But to not have a solid backup plan isn't just foolish, it's going to lose fans.

The point many that share ''this specific'' opinion miss is that, prospect or not if we trot out a 2nd or 3rd round quarter back we aren't making up any ground IF Cam isn't able to return to form and remain healthy. It makes way more sense to still try to put together the most solid team / roster that we can. 

if the team is truely considering a long term answer that is best done after a terrible season, not one where you try to tread water. In the NFL it pays to be bad, there is no lottery, if you want a QB just be one of if not the worst team and choose your guy at the top. 

This mid-round pipe dream heir apparent stuff some of you are touting is just not the norm in the NFL. Especially in the first season, you follow an draft analyst way more qualified than us and after the top guys (Murray, Haskins, Lock) it is a pretty sizable gap. if your goal is the team drafting a 2nd or 3rd round QB prospect isn't the answer. 

No one is disagreeing that we need to improve on Heineke and Allen, but you don't do so at the expense of not addressing more important issues on the roster. 

If you just look at the ''visits'' list we are looking at Day 3 QB's I think the time with Grier is doing our homework in case he falls into day three, Stidham and Thorson (sp) are more realistic targets and offer potential upgrades to Heineke, and Allen. 

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I mean obviously the O-Line was a big problem. They seem to know that and are working to address it. Wouldn't be surprised if OL was the 1st or 2nd round pick. But the fact still remains that Cam has a likely permanent shoulder problem and a backup and potentially long term replacement needs to be address and probably this offseason.

Neither of us know what the future holds for his shoulder. I'm one of the biggest Cam homers here, and I've already acknowledged the distinct possibility of his career not being the same again. That doesn't mean I have to sit here, and validate the talking points of ignorant fans that have always wanted Newton out the door like Igo is apparently making a habit out of.

But if we're taking off the homer shades for Cam, why can't we be brutally honest about our offensive line? We signed a very solid center, but he's also coming off an injury. Beyond that can you honestly say that you are confident about the left or right side of our OL? Even if we draft a rookie, it's going to take time.

Looking beyond the OL. We still need a pass rush because as much as we want to talk poo about Brees and Ryan from a division rival perspective, we still play them twice a year and they have been eating us up as of late.

Let's talk realistic but let's also stop giving a voice to stupidity.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Neither of us know what the future holds for his shoulder. I'm one of the biggest Cam homers here, and I've already acknowledged the distinct possibility of his career not being the same again. That doesn't mean I have to sit here, and validate the talking points of ignorant fans that have always wanted Newton out the door like Igo is apparently making a habit out of.

But if we're taking off the homer shades for Cam, why can't we be brutally honest about our offensive line? We signed a very solid center, but he's also coming off an injury. Beyond that can you honestly say that you are confident about the left or right side of our OL? Even if we draft a rookie, it's going to take time.

Looking beyond the OL. We still need a pass rush because as much as we want to talk poo about Brees and Ryan from a division rival perspective, we still play them twice a year and they have been eating us up as of late.

Let's talk realistic but let's also stop giving a voice to stupidity.

I'd be lying if I wasn't concerned about our OL relying on two starters coming off of season ending injuries. I'm a lot more concerned about Williams than I am Paradis on that front simply due to the nature of their respective injuries. I expect us to draft an OT before the end of round 3 and I hope we give Larsen an opportunity to compete at LG. I know we value him as a version back up, but I'm of the opinion that you have to put your best five OL on the field.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, joeyxfresco said:

Imagine wasting a top 100 pick on a QB when you have a MVP QB and holes everywhere on defense 

 

Whew. 

If you can add the word "healthy" to the description, then maybe.

That's not absolutely certain right now.

[mc52beast]

12 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

Spending a 2nd or 3rd on a guy who will never see the field would be the worst decision possible

If Cam’s arm turns into a noodle again his backup will definitely see the field

[LinvilleGorge]

I think it's smart to do our thorough homework on Grier. He has some intriguing qualities and if he's there in the 3rd it's good to have done that homework.

 

[joeyxfresco]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you can add the word "healthy" to the description, then maybe.

That's not absolutely certain right now.

Idk, maybe fix the line so we don’t ruin our most valuable asset? Whether it’s Cam or another QB we draft NEXT YEAR. I know everyone wants the local boy but that’s not in the best for the “team’s interest” this year.This year isn’t the year to go QB if we decide to move on. We’re gonna suck just as much with Kyle Allen as we would with Grier so why waste a top 100 pick on QB when we haven’t seen what Cam can do? What if Cam is healthy and we wasted our 77th pick on Grier instead of getting Safety help or another man Oline?

[Mr. Scot]

29 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Neither of us know what the future holds for his shoulder. I'm one of the biggest Cam homers here, and I've already acknowledged the distinct possibility of his career not being the same again. That doesn't mean I have to sit here, and validate the talking points of ignorant fans that have always wanted Newton out the door like Igo is apparently making a habit out of.

But if we're taking off the homer shades for Cam, why can't we be brutally honest about our offensive line? We signed a very solid center, but he's also coming off an injury. Beyond that can you honestly say that you are confident about the left or right side of our OL? Even if we draft a rookie, it's going to take time.

Looking beyond the OL. We still need a pass rush because as much as we want to talk poo about Brees and Ryan from a division rival perspective, we still play them twice a year and they have been eating us up as of late.

Let's talk realistic but let's also stop giving a voice to stupidity.

Stupidity is not acknowledging reality.

Newton's shoulder is objectively either okay or it's not. If it's not, then the team has to make plans to cover themselves.

If that hurts your feelings, afraid that's too bad. They have to do what's best for the team as a whole, not one guy. It'd be no different if this were Luke Kuechly or any other player.

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Stupidity is not acknowledging reality.

Newton's shoulder is objectively either okay or it's not. If it's not, then the team has to make plans to cover themselves.

If that hurts your feelings, afraid that's too bad. They have to do what's best for the team as a whole, not one guy. It'd be no different if this were Luke Kuechly or any other player.

Um I acknowledged that reality not just in the post you quoted, but in a previous post on the last page. I'm not against drafting a QB. Lesser this year, more next all things considered when looking at the full picture of our immediate needs and the indisputable fact that two backup quarterbacks have already been injured behind this OL.

If you wish to converse, at least actually try to get your facts straight. Or just be the same smarmy know it all douche you have been for the last several months. *shrug*.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, joeyxfresco said:

Idk, maybe fix the line so we don’t ruin our most valuable asset? Whether it’s Cam or another QB we draft NEXT YEAR. I know everyone wants the local boy but that’s not in the best for the “team’s interest” this year.This year isn’t the year to go QB if we decide to move on. We’re gonna suck just as much with Kyle Allen as we would with Grier so why waste a top 100 pick on QB when we haven’t seen what Cam can do? What if Cam is healthy and we wasted our 77th pick on Grier instead of getting Safety help or another man Oline?

Fixing the line now doesn't undo past damage.

And again, if Newton isn't healthy, that doesn't mean you write this season off. You still have to try and win this year regardless of who's hurt. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Um I acknowledged that reality not just in the post you quoted, but in a previous post on the last page. I'm not against drafting a QB. Lesser this year, more next all things considered when looking at the full picture of our immediate needs and the indisputable fact that two backup quarterbacks have already been injured behind this OL.

If you wish to converse, at least actually try to get your facts straight. Or just be the same smarmy know it all douche you have been for the last several months. *shrug*.

Then maybe stop trying to frame everything as "Igo hates Cam".

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Then maybe stop trying to frame everything as "Igo hates Cam".

I've never said he hates Cam. I think he certainly encourages some of the ignorance, whether that's actually something personal on his part isn't for me to say. But typically anyone that shows up in a random thread on two separate occasions just to take a shot at Newton's long forgotten Belk's clothing line of all things has some feelings involved somewhere.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I've never said he hates Cam. I think he certainly encourages some of the ignorance, whether that's actually something personal on his part isn't for me to say. But typically anyone that shows up in a random thread on two separate occasions just to take a shot at Newton's long forgotten Belk's clothing line of all things has some feelings involved somewhere.

What I see Igo encouraging is acceptance that Cam's Panther career might not have a happy ending, and regardless of how you or anybody else feels about that, it's unfortunately a real possibility.

Heck, most football careers don't have happy endings. Olsen's probably won't either. Very few guys get to go out on top. It's more likely Newton won't than that he will.

That's just reality.