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Panthers have spent "considerable time" with Will Grier

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steven8989 Newbie

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1 minute ago, joeyxfresco said:

You could also bolster up the oline or defense but sure, let’s take a backup QB....

Yeah I don't think we are one player on defense or offense from going to the playoffs. I'm not even going to talk about the SB. So I don't see why everyone thinks that.

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8 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Grier is going to be better than any of the first rd picks. People are overlooking him, I'm glad and hope we get him. 81 TDS, 23 ints, and around 67% comp pct. Yeah I will take that all day. People thinking Cam is just going to come back and be this mvp QB better wake up 

I don't think people are overlooking him. For much of the college football season he was getting some #1 overall pick discussion. Then people got a better understanding of what actual NFL talent evaluators thought about him. Seems like they're worried that he's a system QB. 

I don't hate Grier. Not at all. I actually wouldn't be opposed to taking him with our 2nd 3rd rounder depending on who else is available. 

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IMO if they take either of these two QBs in the  second, they have determined that he could eventually be a top starter.  Cam has two years left on his contract and will be looking for 30+million.  With Tepper lean towards analytics, it’s quite possible that they will be drafting his replacement.  The Sloan conference voted the Raiders trade as the best transaction of the year and there is talk that the Seahawks would be willing to hear offers for Wilson.  These are analytically driven decisions and the new NFL may be a lot different that our fathers NFL

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Upgrading the back up Quarterback position should be on the list of things to do. I would prefer we did so with a pick that is 100 (aka our comp) or later. We don't really have the opportunity for a luxury pick any higher. No matter if it's Grier, Stidham, Heineke, or Allen, if Cam goes down that is the season. 

POINT, BLANK, PERIOD. 

So while we need to ''upgrade'' the QB 2 position on the depth chart don't kid yourself for those willing to draft one in the first or second round that anything is realistically going to happen in our favor if Cam gets hurt or doesn't return to form we'll be right back at the top of the draft next year. So there's no need to waste an early pick.

The ''team'' needs to get better, and if it's not a franchise caliber QB you don't take him at 16, or even at 47 given the blatant holes left to address on the roster that we still have. 

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1 minute ago, SetfreexX said:

Upgrading the back up Quarterback position should be on the list of things to do. I would prefer we did so with a pick that is 100 (aka our comp) or later. We don't really have the opportunity for a luxury pick any higher. No matter if it's Grier, Stidham, Heineke, or Allen, if Cam goes down that is the season. 

POINT, BLANK, PERIOD. 

So while we need to ''upgrade'' the QB 2 position on the depth chart don't kid yourself for those willing to draft one in the first or second round that anything is realistically going to happen in our favor if Cam gets hurt or doesn't return to form we'll be right back at the top of the draft next year. So there's no need to waste an early pick.

The ''team'' needs to get better, and if it's not a franchise caliber QB you don't take him at 16, or even at 47 given the blatant holes left to address on the roster that we still have. 

This is my opinion as well. I have a hard time believing that we'd have a ton of success being forced to play a mid-round rookie at QB next season. Next season almost certainly hinges on Cam's shoulder no matter what we do. If there's a developmental QB prospect we feel good about in the mid-rounds, that wouldn't be a bad idea, but whether we like it or not or even realize it or not we're all in on Cam this coming season.

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Okay, so here's where they come out of the woodwork and call me a Cam hater.

If the Panthers pick a QB before the end of the second round, then we can say Cam's days as our QB are numbered. We're going to learn a lot about what the organization really knows about Cam's injury, rehab work and potential to return to form. If they have no confidence, expect to see us move and move early for a QB.

I really want to see Cam recovered fully and back on the field making the game his and playing it like no one else can. I think I said the same thing last offseason and that didn't turn out anything like we hoped. The guy really gave it his all but couldn't make it through the long and wearing road that is an NFL season.

From an organizational standpoint, the Panthers brass and ownership know that we can't do that again. If no early QB drafted, it means Cam has their full confidence and we expect big things from him. If they draft early, then we know either his shoulder is worse than anyone is letting on or doesn't show any real rehabilitation.

If he can come back to healthy and strong, Cam could be set up for a breakout year if he can combine his old arm strength with the maturity he showed in his game last year. His decision making was some of the best of his career and his short game was golden. He could still run with the ball but he picked his times better and showed a bit less abandon and a bit more strategy in the hits he was willing to take. He was also the undisputed leader of the team, something I think he had to grow into after the SB loss. Still good natured and a cheerleader for all of his teammates, Cam started showing high level leadership skills and wisdom.

On the downside, that shoulder killed his throwing distance and power. Cam's injury completely shortened the field for defenders once opposing teams figured it out, which led to more pressure on the QB in passing situations as blitzes became easier. If his arm is the same, then it will be an even bigger disaster. 

And I have no idea how Cam will do with a high-round draft pick sitting behind him. 30 years old and a huge contract with a rising prospect in the wings doesn't make things comfortable. 

I'm hoping we don't take a QB before the 5th, but if we do, then there's a lot of writing on the wall and big changes coming for the Panthers.

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I've seen very few fans against drafting a QB under any circumstances, but suggesting we use anything more than a 3rd rounder with all our needs is just little more than stirring the pot.

We still don't know that our OL will hold up, and our DL is damn near in shambles.

People like Igo need to stop embarrassing the fanbase by pandering to mouthbreathsrs.

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25 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:
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The Panthers would be crazy not to draft a solid QB prospect this year. Anyone who thinks differently either hasn't been paying attention or puts a player over the team's interests.

4:32 AM - 11 Apr 2019

I mean, it's true. Cam was throwing noodle arm ducks at the end of the season. I'd be THRILLED if pre-shoulder injury Cam showed up in 2019. But we don't have a time machine and father time is undefeated. I'd be fine if the Panthers drafted Grier or another QB prospect as high as the 3rd round, hell maybe even the 2nd round. 

The people who'd bitch about drafting a QB are the same people who are going to bitch that the Panthers didn't draft a QB when Cam's arm falls off early in the season and the Panthers trot out Kyle Allen who proves to be no better than Brian St. Pierre.

Panthers are being SMART for a change and looking at the future. QB1 had serious throwing arm issues last season. They aren't giving up on him. But to not have a solid backup plan isn't just foolish, it's going to lose fans.

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1 minute ago, hepcat said:

I mean, it's true. Cam was throwing noodle arm ducks at the end of the season. I'd be THRILLED if pre-shoulder injury Cam showed up in 2019. But we don't have a time machine and father time is undefeated. I'd be fine if the Panthers drafted Grier or another QB prospect as high as the 3rd round, hell maybe even the 2nd round. 

The people who'd bitch about drafting a QB are the same people who are going to bitch that the Panthers didn't draft a QB when Cam's arm falls off early in the season and the Panthers trot out Kyle Allen who proves to be no better than Brian St. Pierre.

Panthers are being SMART for a change and looking at the future. QB1 had serious throwing arm issues last season. They aren't giving up on him. But to not have a solid backup plan isn't just foolish, it's going to lose fans.

Neither of our 2 backup quarterbacks were able to finish their start behind this OL without getting injured. Think the trenches might be a big factor for our upcoming season?

Arguing that anyone here would be fine with watching the Panthers lose as long as Cam remains the QB is the same sort of buffoonery that was put on full display here many years ago before we even drafted #1.

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