Panthers have spent "considerable time" with Will Grier

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Yeah yeah you want a QB, we know. Just say that my man.

But we also have an indisputable need on both lines.

If we draft a stud for the OL or the DL who can be a quality addition for the future that's a win and a big boost for whichever QB takes center regardless of what happens with Newton.

Wrong again. I don't care if we draft a quarterback or not. I think it's possible, and I'd be happy if it were Will Grier, but if it's not that's fine too.

You probably think I'm operating based on what I want to happen because that's what you're doing. That's not me though. I'm talking about what could happen based on how the Panthers are operating right now.

You can feel free to ignore that if you want, but I don't think it's the wisest choice.

[LinvilleGorge]

53 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wrong again. I don't care if we draft a quarterback or not. I think it's possible, and I'd be happy if it were Will Grier, but if it's not that's fine too.

You probably think I'm operating based on what I want to happen because that's what you're doing. That's not me though. I'm talking about what could happen based on how the Panthers are operating right now.

You can feel free to ignore that if you want, but I don't think it's the wisest choice.

That's a pretty non-committal position. If we're talking about what "could" happen that's practically anything under the sun.

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

It's easy to say something like this in April.

But if Cam is indeed healthy and playing well this season while our depleted pass rush proves to be unable to rise up to the the task,  there will be people questioning why we have a QB we drafted in the first 3 rounds sitting on the bench when we could have used that resource elsewhere.

It really makes me laugh how quickly some fans forget the division that we play in. We still need to be able to get to the opposing QB regardless of who we have behind center. If we can't get their offense off the field because we can't get pressure it won't matter.

If Cam's arm is the same as the last two seasons, it won't matter if the defense can rush the passer. Lmao. 

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's a pretty non-committal position. If we're talking about what "could" happen that's practically anything under the sun.

That's how I feel.

Way too many people on here assume that if you're talking about something that might happen, then it must be what you want to happen. That's simply not true. I could say, "hey, the Panthers might draft Brian Burns" and it'd be an accurate statement, but it doesn't necessarily mean that's what I'm hoping for.

Do we all have to have a definitive, inflexible position that we absolutely must pick this guy in this round to be part of the discussion?

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

  Yep. No one wants to volunteer what position of huge need we are going to ignore to draft a player we hope never plays. And if he does, odds are he’s ineffective anyway. 

  

That would be oline if I had to pick, addition by subtraction plus a major addition on top of that. After the first round typically OT's don't play as rookies or play well when they do. Same with defensive line players as well. Those drafted in later rounds, after the first/second round have major question marks that take time to coach up. So in the third, it's not really a wasted pick. If you go second round QB then obviously dline is first round pick, so you're probably not selecting an oline or safety in the second. 

[Krovvy]

I would rather go bust or nothing with Cam than waste a pick on Grier. At least then you'll get a shot at drafting a legit quarterback next year, instead of wasting time with a guy that has the ceiling of Ryan Tannehill. I also don't want to read threads every week advocating for benching Cam. I've had enough of that from the "start Derek Anderson" crowd.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

I would rather go bust or nothing with Cam than waste a pick on Grier. At least then you'll get a shot at drafting a legit quarterback next year, instead of wasting time with a guy that has the ceiling of Ryan Tannehill. I also don't want to read threads every week advocating for benching Cam. I've had enough of that from the "start Derek Anderson" crowd.

So everybody else on the team should just accept a lost season because one player can't play?

Does the team exist so that Newton can win a championship or is Newton part of a team that plays for a championship together?

Heck, why do we even have backups if we're just gonna give up when the starters go down?

[Krovvy]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So everybody else on the team should just accept a lost season because one player can't play?

Does the team exist so that Newton can win a championship or is Newton part of a team that plays for a championship together?

Heck, why do we even have backups if we're just gonna give up when the starters go down?

Yeah.

[Panthers8969]

8 hours ago, mc52beast said:

If Cam’s arm turns into a noodle again his backup will definitely see the field

Is this really that hard to understand? If cams shoulder is done our season is done. The backup doesn’t matter. Will Grier, your dad, doesn’t matter. We suck with either. You have to go into the season believing cam is healthy and if his shoulder really is done, then you draft a qb in the first round next year. QB would then be the biggest need, and drafting Grier the year before wouldn’t Change that

[Panthers8969]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So everybody else on the team should just accept a lost season because one player can't play?

Does the team exist so that Newton can win a championship or is Newton part of a team that plays for a championship together?

Heck, why do we even have backups if we're just gonna give up when the starters go down?

Is this a serious post?

[OneBadCat]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So everybody else on the team should just accept a lost season because one player can't play?

Does the team exist so that Newton can win a championship or is Newton part of a team that plays for a championship together?

Heck, why do we even have backups if we're just gonna give up when the starters go down?

I think there is a greater chance of Newton succeeding and the team succeeding if we use all of our early picks on bolstering the supporting cast. I’m not against drafting a QB but taking anyone in the first or second is doing a disservice to the immediate success of the franchise when we just saw that we have two back ups that can keep us competitive, especially Allen who looks extremely solid.

 

The benefit to drafting a QB in my opinion isn’t that he can take over the franchise or even play competently. It’s that drafting a QB sends a message to Cam that the team isn’t entirely based on him. Much like the point you are making.  I see Cam benefiting from some competition and challenge. That doesn’t mean I seriously think we need to consider his replacement. Because if he’s healthy and driven he’s one of the best in the league. 

Cams problem aside from his shoulder is that we have catered the offense too much to his skill set than Cam has taken on to playing an NFL offense. And that is not his fault at all as Rivera and Co just want to win and keep their jobs. But if we want to see Cam be his best than I hope Norv continues to expand the playbook and we see Cam return to standard formations, behind center and single back. We did this in 2011 and 2012 and Cam had a serious chip on his shoulder to prove he was a drop back thrower. And I absolutely believe he is . We just need to let the man play. Most of our passes have become shotgun, RPO, or screens to CMC and that makes us predictable.

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

Yeah.

I hope you're not serious.

8 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I think there is a greater chance of Newton succeeding and the team succeeding if we use all of our early picks on bolstering the supporting cast. I’m not against drafting a QB but taking anyone in the first or second is doing a disservice to the immediate success of the franchise when we just saw that we have two back ups that can keep us competitive, especially Allen who looks extremely solid.

The benefit to drafting a QB in my opinion isn’t that he can take over the franchise or even play competently. It’s that drafting a QB sends a message to Cam that the team isn’t entirely based on him. Much like the point you are making.  I see Cam benefiting from some competition and challenge. That doesn’t mean I seriously think we need to consider his replacement. Because if he’s healthy and driven he’s one of the best in the league. 

Cams problem aside from his shoulder is that we have catered the offense too much to his skill set than Cam has taken on to playing an NFL offense. And that is not his fault at all as Rivera and Co just want to win and keep their jobs. But if we want to see Cam be his best than I hope Norv continues to expand the playbook and we see Cam return to standard formations, behind center and single back. We did this in 2011 and 2012 and Cam had a serious chip on his shoulder to prove he was a drop back thrower. And I absolutely believe he is . We just need to let the man play. Most of our passes have become shotgun, RPO, or screens to CMC and that makes us predictable.

I know some folks seem.to think so, but the team isn't going to stop playing if Newton retires or moves on.

When you have a quarterback who's both hurt and nearing the end of his contract, it's smart to plan for the worst case scenario.

[steven8989]

59 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

I would rather go bust or nothing with Cam than waste a pick on Grier. At least then you'll get a shot at drafting a legit quarterback next year, instead of wasting time with a guy that has the ceiling of Ryan Tannehill. I also don't want to read threads every week advocating for benching Cam. I've had enough of that from the "start Derek Anderson" crowd.

Another crappy post. Comparing Tannehill to Grier LMAO. Some of y'all should just stay off here and not even post.

[steven8989]

35 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

Is this really that hard to understand? If cams shoulder is done our season is done. The backup doesn’t matter. Will Grier, your dad, doesn’t matter. We suck with either. You have to go into the season believing cam is healthy and if his shoulder really is done, then you draft a qb in the first round next year. QB would then be the biggest need, and drafting Grier the year before wouldn’t Change that

I wish we had better fans. People giving up on a team without Cam when u still have Luke, CMC.