Don't overlook Deebo!

[Sub Zero]

13 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

We really need a TE before we need a WR.

I don't agree.. Manhertz has a contract pretty much saying he is going to be here.. Ian had a nice season for a 4th round draft pick and as long as Olsen want to play he is going to be given every opportunity to do it.. Plus Armah is a FB/TE player.. I don't see the need another Young TE right now. We don't need but we could absolutely use a big WR. 

[Lumps]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

I get it, but I don't necessarily totally agree. I think some of you are waaaaaaaaaaaay too comfortable with the receiving corps. We have Moore who will only be in his second year, and he is taking some time to adjust. We have Samuel who hasn't been on the field for long stretches during his two seasons for this or that health reason (and, honestly, he may still be adjusting as well). We have Wright who is basically a wr4 third down specialist. People have unrealistic expectations about him as far as I'm concerned. And then there's everyone else. Sure Smith is our wily vet, but, let's be honest, he's more of a one-trick pony, and many say that he ain't worth a damn anyway. And, Cam lost his one of his main targets in Funchess. Moreover, I don't want to hear the crap about C-Mac being a receiver because he is a running back. He may be a receiving RB, but he's an RB all the same. A receiving TE is nice, but Olsen is long in the tooth, and Thomas is still adjusting to becoming that heir apparent. A WR is a different animal.  We need another wide receiver to shore up our corps and give it a legit level of security, if not take it to that next level.

 

By the way, We've invested in defense just as much---maybe more---over the last few years between the draft and free agency.

 

I don’t really count free agency as ‘investing’ especially band aids. I also don’t consider 4th round and later investing and in that perspective it’s been offense. It’s not who we have it’s what we’ve spend on it. Moore was the first WR taken in 2018, by that logic he’s suppose to be the best in the draft, won’t say that’s the case just saying you have all of them to pick from how can you get it wrong.

Cam is a big ? and spending all this draft capital on weapons will backfire. I’ve always said the biggest weapon a franchise can give any qb but especially a new QB is a legitimate defense, followed by a backfield threat which we have in CMC.

The capital invested in WR right not is much better than the Dline and secondary. We have uknowns but they appear to be coming along nicely. We have NOTHING like that on the dline.

Pass rush is non existent. Poe is mediocre at best, KK to ole the money and ran. there just nothing there

Also want to say clear house means management and staff as well not just players. Top WR in 2018, top pick in CMC, Samuel a high second rounder, Moton another second rounder and Turner a 3rd rounder...these guys were our most recent  top draft picks while neglecting the Dline and just throwing late picks at the secondary.

Something’s got to give.

 

[Sub Zero]

A few Big WR targets after the 3rd round..

4th or 5th round guy..

3rd or 4th round guy.

3rd rounder..

5th or 6th rounder

6th rounder

6th rounder..

[Khyber53]

48 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

I don't agree.. Manhertz has a contract pretty much saying he is going to be here.. Ian had a nice season for a 4th round draft pick and as long as Olsen want to play he is going to be given every opportunity to do it.. Plus Armah is a FB/TE player.. I don't see the need another Young TE right now. We don't need but we could absolutely use a big WR. 

I think we can do the same thing with the WR roster as well, pointing to two young guys (actually better prospects than Manhertz and Ian as 1st and 2nd rounders with starting/heavy play experience), a good journeyman guy and an aging vet who saw limited action last season. (Moore, Samuel, Wright and Smith in case you missed the juxtapositioning there.)

However, should either Hockenson or Fant be available when the 16th pick rolls around, we need to take a good, long look at them, then look over at Olsen's bad foot, then look back at them, back at the foot and really consider picking up someone who can really be his replacement.

The right guy there could help the passing, blocking and run game for this team.

[Sub Zero]

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think we can do the same thing with the WR roster as well, pointing to two young guys (actually better prospects than Manhertz and Ian as 1st and 2nd rounders with starting/heavy play experience), a good journeyman guy and an aging vet who saw limited action last season. (Moore, Samuel, Wright and Smith in case you missed the juxtapositioning there.)

However, should either Hockenson or Fant be available when the 16th pick rolls around, we need to take a good, long look at them, then look over at Olsen's bad foot, then look back at them, back at the foot and really consider picking up someone who can really be his replacement.

The right guy there could help the passing, blocking and run game for this team.

Totally disagree.. You usually play with more WR on the field And your other 2 WR are pretty much 1 year deals.. The TE situation is different multiple years on contract for 2 of them and we only carry 3 TE at the most.. I think some ppl here need to develop some patients and let Ian have more than 1 year before we pigeon hole his potential..

[Basbear]

He's in that group, the most valuable group in the draft- late 1st to 3rd round. It's juicy and full of capable starters.

 

 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Sub Zero said:

Totally disagree.. You usually play with more WR on the field And your other 2 WR are pretty much 1 year deals.. The TE situation is different multiple years on contract for 2 of them and we only carry 3 TE at the most.. I think some ppl here need to develop some patients and let Ian have more than 1 year before we pigeon hole his potential..

Traditionally more WRs are on the field, but a two TE set isn't rare for us and is common on many teams. Also, most teams don't have a CMC coming out of the backfield as well.

Oh, I think Ian will be something great. Manhertz could stand to improve, but he is developing as a blocking tight end. I'm just not certain Greg will be with us at the end of training camp. I hope he is and has a stellar year, but Father Time and the ghost of Howard Cosell are hot on his heels.

[Sub Zero]

39 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Traditionally more WRs are on the field, but a two TE set isn't rare for us and is common on many teams. Also, most teams don't have a CMC coming out of the backfield as well.

Oh, I think Ian will be something great. Manhertz could stand to improve, but he is developing as a blocking tight end. I'm just not certain Greg will be with us at the end of training camp. I hope he is and has a stellar year, but Father Time and the ghost of Howard Cosell are hot on his heels.

Than I really don't agree with using a 1st thru 3rd round picks for insurance.. Especially since a 2 TE set isn't our base offense.. And if you think Ian will be good why do we need a equally good or better TE?? 1 good TE and 1 avg. With the rest of our weapons is enough..

[beastson]

Is that a RB or Wr ?

[Cpt slay a ho]

Bpa, it’s good chance a first rd WR falls in our lap at 47, gotta consider drafting one of it happens 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Sub Zero said:

Than I really don't agree with using a 1st thru 3rd round picks for insurance.. Especially since a 2 TE set isn't our base offense.. And if you think Ian will be good why do we need a equally good or better TE?? 1 good TE and 1 avg. With the rest of our weapons is enough..

Either you really underestimate Olsen's impact on the field or you really overestimate the level of play offered by our current other TEs. 

But back to the original premise, WR is lower on the importance list right now than TE when it comes to need.

[Sub Zero]

38 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Bpa, it’s good chance a first rd WR falls in our lap at 47, gotta consider drafting one of it happens 

No you don't.. This is still not a great WR draft..  And WR isn't really a need it's a want..

[Sub Zero]

17 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Either you really underestimate Olsen's impact on the field or you really overestimate the level of play offered by our current other TEs. 

But back to the original premise, WR is lower on the importance list right now than TE when it comes to need.

Nah I think you're underestimating Olsen's impact if you think any rookie is going to come in and be Olsen.. 

You got 7tds 676yrds and 65 rec. With a hurt QB a hurt starting TE and a Rookie.. That's not that bad.. 

Both position are wants not needs.. You want a TE because you think we will be running a 12 set alot.. Which we only did 1 season and haven't done since then. Question Name the 2 TE's sets Norv has used in his 30 something years of offensive coordinating and coaching? I'd rather get a big WR who will add a different skill set to our WR corp.. Norv has actual ran 3 and 4 WR sets alot..

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

19 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

No you don't.. This is still not a great WR draft..  And WR isn't really a need it's a want..

Why would you pass on one? It’s a lowkey need, we are banking on Samuel staying healthy and Moore taking the next step, WR is just like cb, we’re one injury away from fielding a piss poor unit on the field