The Combine and why it matters...

[micnificent28]

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/nfl-draft-preview/2019-nfl-combine-preview-why-it-matters

I saw this in a thread posted by a fellow huddler(45catsfan) and thought this info should made available to all the forum to see. I am a big believer in taking the best athlete and so these numbers and this system really proves a big point for me.hen you average in all the metrics you get that web and composite athletic percentile score. The higher the score the better indicator for success i believe. but like anything there are flops. I think it works better than any other means of predicting success

[Moo Daeng]

Most of the top performers on their lists are nobodies.

The top guys were known to be top guys because they produced. They were known to be the too guys in their draft before the combine 

 

[micnificent28]

18 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Most of the top performers on their lists are nobodies.

The top guys were known to be top guys because they produced. They were known to be the too guys in their draft before the combine 

 

Some errors in this i don't understand what you mean.

[Sub Zero]

The Combine most important part is the medical and the interviews... The rest is only use to confirm the tape or make you go back to the tape and do more analysis..

[micnificent28]

10 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

The Combine most important part is the medical and the interviews... The rest is only use to confirm the tape or make you go back to the tape and do more analysis..

If that was the case why even do the rest? why are people like sapp  stock dropping after runnning 4.76... combine helps people like Sweat or hurts people like ur guy. Combine numbers have been used to success to find plenty of hidden gems. Savvy coach doesn't "just rely on tape" of course you want to see success stats and production, but production can be skewed by outside factors. Injuries,scheme,coach, and players around the prospect your looking at. That mentality is very old school.

[Eazy-E]

I'll take the guy who produced on the football field over the guy who moves fast and lifts heavy in his underwear.

If they happen to do both, fantastic.

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

I'll take the guy who produced on the football field over the guy who moves fast and lifts heavy in his underwear.

If they happen to do both, fantastic.

Ideally thats the perfect scenario,But if we go by your metrics bosa wouldnt be the number one player in this draft...Its more than that. Some players are system guys or college stat stuffers... Plenty of pass rushers have better numbers than Bosa. I think you go to the tape you find traits in what makes a guy unique rare or special and the combine helps verify that.

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, black-panthers said:

Combine is stupid 

This is smart...

[micnificent28]

18 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

Mr. Irrelevant

Works both ways my friend..

[micnificent28]

https://www.si.com/college-football/2014/02/09/michael-sam-missouri-tigers Micheal Sam the gay sec all-american player of of year college stat stuffer... turned in a terrible combine....what was he 6-7th round pick and he was bad.

[micnificent28]

Rk	Player	Sk	From	To	School
1	Jaylon Ferguson*	45	2015	2018	Louisiana Tech
2	Ja'Von Rolland-Jones*	42	2014	2017	Arkansas State
3	Hau'oli Kikaha*	36	2010	2014	Washington
	Bruce Miller*	36	2007	2010	UCF
5	Phillip Hunt*	34	2005	2008	Houston
	Ryan Kerrigan*	34	2007	2010	Purdue
7	Von Miller*	33	2007	2010	Texas A&M
8	Trent Murphy*	33	2010	2013	Stanford
	Oshane Ximines*	33	2014	2018	Old Dominion
10	Derek Barnett*	32	2014	2016	Tennessee
	Marquis Haynes*	32	2014	2017	Ole Miss
	Travis Johnson*	32	2009	2012	San Jose State
13	Josh Allen*	32	2015	2018	Kentucky
	Jeremiah Attaochu*	32	2010	2013	Georgia Tech
	Larry English*	32	2005	2008	Northern Illinois
16	Dexter Davis*	31	2006	2009	Arizona State
	Myles Garrett*	31	2014	2016	Texas A&M
18	Trevardo Williams*	31	2009	2012	Connecticut
19	Vic Beasley*	30	2011	2014	Clemson
	Dontay Moch*	30	2006	2010	Nevada
	Sutton Smith*	30	2015	2018	Northern Illinois
22	Aaron Donald*	30	2010	2013	Pitt
	Brandon Graham*	30	2006	2009	Michigan
	Trey Hendrickson	30	2013	2016	Florida Atlantic
	Ejuan Price*

 College sack leaders since 2005...most of these guys meh or yet to enter the league... and the ones that are special in the league put up special combine numbers as well. they validated why they were great.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

The combine provides data points and measurable a for teams to add into their analysis of a player.  Shouldn’t be used as stand alone  decision making criteria.  

[d-dave]

The point in the article about Julian Eddleman was great for pointing out what the combine does.  It helps you see where guys win.  While the combine has plenty of criticism, gathering an athletic profile is far from bad.  It helps you see what kind of athlete you're drafting.

There are plenty of stories about guys who succeed inspire of poor combine results or being poor athletes.  But take a guy like DK Metcalf.  Based on his athletic profile, you'd expect him to be a no. 1 NFL WR.  But I bet that he will never be that.  He's a great straight line runner, and he will be successful on the outside.  But he won't have near as much success in the middle of the field crossing formation because he tested so poorly in his agility drills.  Looking at his production, he doesn't jump out as a No. 1 NFL WR.  In the right offense, he could be deadly, but he'll never be your number 1 option.  He could be a killer complimentary piece.  If he ends up getting drafted top 10, he'll get labeled a bust because he's not that kind of player.

Great athlete, great kid, but he's a complimentary player who needs to play vertically to be successful with his size and explosion.

[LinvilleGorge]

Ah, now we cherry pick a few guys from thousands and act as if it proves some sort of point. The bottom line is is that NFL GMs make a lot of money to do this professionally and there are still a ton of mistakes made ever single year (and an All-Pro going in the mid-late rounds is a mistake by everyone who passed on hin repeatedly). It's because there's virtually an endless number of variables at play. It isn't as simple as looking at college production and looking at workout results. If it was it'd be easy. There would never be any busts or steals.