A-Jax needs to clean up his tackling

[uncfan888]

6 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Are we really calling him “A-Jax?”

His mama named him donte.. I'm gonna call him donte 

[luke nukem]

1 hour ago, Trill OG said:

Which is why I think if Greedy Williams is on the board, he will be our pick. Move Jackson to the nickel role, and all of a sudden our secondary looks pretty damn good.

Load up on DE's in the 2nd and 3rd.

we need a FS but we will continue to ignore the position because that is what the panthers have done their entire existence.

[WarHeel]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

His mama named him donte.. I'm gonna call him donte 

Cheers to you. That nickname is ghastly.

[top dawg]

13 hours ago, stbugs said:

Umm, Cleveland and Atlanta were in the fourth quarter of the schedule and he had a rough couple games there. Also, Bradberry was ranked higher even with Donte’s hot start and the fact that Bradberry covered the Evans’ and Julio’s.

Donte has great potential if he can clean up the tackling and coverage, but he definitely had a rough second half. He was a rookie, it happens. Bradberry had a bad second season after a great rookie year. People forget that Bradberry had an 82.6 rating from PFF in 2016 (20th). Funny thing is that Bradberry was #1 among rookies in 2016 in tackling with only 4 missed. Here’s the article: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-panthers-cb-james-bradberry-suffers-broken-wrist

And yet, he was still better than Bradberry in coverage, and A-Jax finished strong in New Orleans. The fact is, both of them need to improve. Jackson can't afford to have a sophomore slump like Bradberry did (and I don't believe that he will), or we're doomed.  There is reason to believe that Jackson will get better (being that he was a rookie). Perhaps Bradberry, who excels at go-routes, can figure out how to extend his skills on other routes and improve his consistency---finally---in year three. As a unit, they can stand to improve. https://www.google.com/amp/s/pantherswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/14/panthers-pro-football-focus-nfc-south-cornerbacks/amp/

Not trying to be funny but the tone of your posts (not just in this thread) have somewhat of a negative tone when it comes to Jackson in my humble opinion (and I am sure that some may say the same about my posts about Bradberry). That being said, you are all  about trying to draft a defensive end at 16. You don't seem to have the notion of drafting a CB (e.g., Greedy Williams) which I consider fair game depending upon how things shake out. I know that some, including possibly Rivera, believe wholeheartedly in the notion that a better front will make a better back, but I believe that better corners make for a better backfield in and of themselves (if not make the D-line better also).

[top dawg]

12 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Cheers to you. That nickname is ghastly.

How is A-Jax, for Action Jackson any more "ghastly" than D-Jax for Desean Jackson or V-Jax for V-Jackson? I mean is it just because of Ajax? I mean, cleaning up is a good thing.

D-Jax is already taken. "Donte" is fine (if not just a little boring). I guess that it's fine to refer to guys by their first name on a forum. "Donte Jackson" is likely the safest bet, but nicknames aren't necessarily a bad thing in the slightest. The only player that I repeatedly call by their first name is Cam (and that's an earned term of endearment). 

[WarHeel]

22 minutes ago, top dawg said:

How is A-Jax, for Action Jackson any more "ghastly" than D-Jax for Desean Jackson or V-Jax for V-Jackson? I mean is it just because of Ajax? I mean, cleaning up is a good thing.

D-Jax is already taken. "Donte" is fine (if not just a little boring). I guess that it's fine to refer to guys by their first name on a forum. "Donte Jackson" is likely the safest bet, but nicknames aren't necessarily a bad thing in the slightest. The only player that I repeatedly call by their first name is Cam (and that's an earned term of endearment). 

It’s just corny in my opinion. His name is Donte so the only thing I imagine the “A” in A-Jax comes from another nickname in Action Jackson which doesn’t sound as forced. Just my two cents.

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

It’s just corny in my opinion. His name is Donte so the only thing I imagine the “A” in A-Jax comes from another nickname in Action Jackson which doesn’t sound as forced. Just my two cents.

Well, you know, that Action Jackson is actually a very old toy. 

Perhaps my age is showing, but the first thing I thought of when I heard that Donte had the nickname Action Jackson was this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Jackson_(toy)

 

YouTube doesn't allow embedding of this, but take a look!

https://youtu.be/FXiNR_XwhQM 

[WarHeel]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well, you know, that Action Jackson is actually a very old toy. 

Perhaps my age is showing, but the first thing I thought of when I heard that Donte had the nickname Action Jackson was this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Jackson_(toy)

 

YouTube doesn't allow embedding of this, but take a look!

https://youtu.be/FXiNR_XwhQM 

I like the classics 

[Peppers90 NC]

13 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Cheers to you. That nickname is ghastly.

Yea it sucks

[top dawg]

57 minutes ago, stbugs said:

My negative tone is that many people still bag on Bradberry and throw praise at Donte all because of who drafted them. They can't fathom that Bradberry's rookie year was better than Donte's because that would be an insult to their GM. Also, you said two things that were wrong. First, playing well in week 17 <> not having a rough last 4 games when he had some really bad plays against Cleveland and Atlanta, which last I checked were in the last 4 games. Second, that Donte was rated better, yet your link says the opposite and we know Bradberry was matched up against the top WRs more than Donte. Simple as that.

I apologize if my negative tone dismays you, but I'm a fan of the Panthers and not the GM who did the drafting. I like to support the players that other people trash due to their silly biases. As crazy as it seems, I actually want both of them to, gasp, do great. I honestly believe that there are "fans" in here that would rather see Bradberry burned to make sure their GM's guy does better.

Also, we are looking at CBs on Day 2+ and I agree with that. I think a DL has more impact on us improving as a defense than a CB at 16. I'd rather go to the value and draft the spot that is the strongest. I'd rather get a guy who'd be considered top 10 in most other years. I just think that a Sweat, Burns, Wilkins and others plus a later round CB to play slot or move Donte to slot, etc. Same reason why I don't want an OT at 16. I think a top DL + day 2 tackle is way better than the opposite.

I doubt that this has anything to do with GMs. Gettleman is gone. 

Bradberry looked good his first year, but that's easy to do if people aren't throwing your way because of easy pickings on the other side. When people started throwing his way during his second year, Bradberry didn't look good. Last season he was better, but consistency was an issue. Hell, I forgot that he's actually going into his fourth year (probably because I want to forget his second), but perhaps he can put it all together...or, it just may be a case of he is who he is. That is arguable. But, I still want to be optimistic. 

As for Jackson, he was a rookie that of course has way more speed than Bradberry, shows more athleticism than Bradberry, and hawks the ball much better than Bradberry. So...he is anything but a case of he-is-who-he-is at this point. As for being "wrong" perhaps I am, but just from casual observation, Jackson looked better to me the last four games than he did in the four before (and a bad play or two does not change that look).  Being that I am trying to resist paying PFF for something that I believe should be free, I can't specifically say that you're wrong. That being said, I never said that Jackson was actually better than Bradberry last season, what I said is that he had a better coverage grade per PFF which is correct (according to them). Overall, Bradberry gets the nod (but not by much). What I implied is that if Jackson cleans up those missed tackles then it will have not only a great affect and effect upon his grade, but the overall play of the defensive backfield. Of course along with that, but for a "whopping" 15 missed tackles, his grade would likely have been better than Bradberry's last year, and that is telling in my estimation.

Lastly, depending upon how the draft falls, I am always for an upgrade at any position of need in the first round, and I believe that CB is one of those needs.  And, on an off note, if Jonah Williams is there, I'm taking him, point, blank and period...unless maybe Montez Sweat is there.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Stop trying to make a nick name happen, much less a shitty nick name like Ajax. 

[brandon_87]

23 hours ago, t96 said:

He was really hit or miss as a tackler and in run support. Had some amazing plays and tackles for loss that other guys just can’t do, and then obviously had some terrible whiffs or bad angles. I like that he showed a lot of promise, with more discipline (on the field) and experience, I’m not worried at all about that part of his game.

Exactly, I actually was impressed with his run support , tbh

[top dawg]

27 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. You are just kidding yourself if you think people still don’t associate with GMs. Also, there you go with trying to say why Bradberry’s great rookie year wasn’t really great. That’s the perfect example. I like Donte and hope he continues to improve just like I hope Bradberry does as well. 

No, the only ones who try overly hard to associate themselves with a GM are the Gettlemaniacs. That's an issue that's really not even worth discussing. My opinion has always been (and has been stated) that we shouldn't judge H2.0 (if you will) by H1.0. Hurney is in a fascinating position, and I want to see if he has learned and improved which is possible. The whole GM vs GM thing is a circuitous argument that leads to nowhere. Personally, I said what I said about Gettleman, in a thread that I started, and for me that was the end of it. But hearing people continuously whine about Hurney is annoying in my opinion. It is what it is until it isn't. Just like I praised Gettleman many many times, I began to criticise him over time, and once it was clear to me that his philosophies were rather dogmatic and not as tried-and-true as he let on, the fascination was lost. Anyway...

As for Bradberry having a great rookie year, at the time everyone was pleasantly surprised and excited (including myself) and I said so. But as good as his rookie year was, his sophomore year just erased the delusion that he is a shutdown type of corner. Now, I'm hoping that the fourth year is the charm and he gains that consistency and completeness to his game, but I can only hope. Like I alluded to, he has had enough time to actually judge. Jackson has not. It's as simple as that. You can argue the facts about actually being tested all you want, but Bradberry wasn't tested like Jackson was during his rookie year. I don't see the problem with bringing up the obvious, and it doesn't have anything to do with a GM, and everything to do with trying to explain to you why people are more excited about Jackson than Bradberry. It's that simple.

[Icege]

Had a lot of question marks about the pick at the time and had almost all of them answered over the course of the season. Kid can ball!

Can't help but wonder if he adds a little weight this summer without losing speed how much that would help him on the missed tackles. Even if he led CBs in missed tackles, I wonder what the % was vs successful tackles in comparison to other players on the roster.

@top dawg I emphatically agree with @stbugsBradberry was CB1 his rookie year, so I'm not sure how the claim that he wasnt tested like DJax who has been CB2 the entire time can be made. BB also had a solid season last year with some great match ups against amazing WRs, but we have ppl saying that he needs to be replaced (while making sure to take a dig at GM for the JNo debacle).

Just look at the attitude towards Gaulden and Haynes after one season vs. CMC. It took until the end of last season for folks to fully accept CMC, and even then there were folks with the audacity to suggest that he was being force fed to pump stats despite not hitting 2k all purpose yards.

There are some "Gettlemaniacs" introducing the conflict into threads (tho I perceived St as talking about fan reactions rather than his own personal thoughts on the player(s) minus jabbing who selected them in this 1), but to pin it predominantly on them couldnt be further from the truth when the folks that are anti-GM have associated themselves with him as well.

 

Got curious and compared DJax to Bucs' CB Carlton Davis.

Davis: 40 combined tackles, 7 missed, 4 deflections (missed tackle percentage: 17.5%)

Jackson: 74 combined tackles, 15 missed, 4 INTs, 1 sack, 9 deflections (missed tackle percentage: 20.27%)

Call me crazy, but i'll exchange 7 missed tackles for 4 INTs, 1 sack, and 5 PDs more.