Cam will be turning 30 this year.

[Snake]

2 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

I need that crystal ball you got.

I love Cam.  Will be heartbroken if he’s not healthy or the shoulder just never returns.

We won’t know until Wk8-Wk9.  I hope like hell its fixed but I’m on edge till then.

I don't need a crystal ball I have a source within the organization. Weeks have nothing to do with it. Cam went a year of just grinding through it. He thought PT could over come it and it didn't. Just like he thinks not flapping and going vegan gives him an edge. He's just a different cat and likes to go at it his own way.

[Snake]

2 hours ago, RIAnBOW said:

You seem to have overlooked the issue of bone spurs.  What's your analysis there?

On #Panthers Cam Newton, concern about him missing time in 2019 appears to be overblown. I’m told his shoulder surgery removed some existing scar tissue and bone-spurring and was a very clean process. Healing up without complication shouldn’t be an issue. Good news for Carolina.

— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) January 30, 2019

 

Bone spurs come from the scar tissue formation(well irritation really). They are indeed painful and can't be solved by any other thing but shaving with a scope. Most athletes have them if they use repetitive motion in a joint. The loss of motion in Newton was two fold. When the tissue swelled it caused the spurs to rub tendons and thus caused more swelling. That locked down the joint and severely limited range. Thus why Cam had to rest every week. This should be all cleared up now because both problems are gone. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

16 hours ago, Snake said:

A bad few game? His arm power was hid well but it was more than a few. He couldn't make all the throws last year.

The whole point is he didn't need the arm power to have one of his best seasons.  I don't want to go back to the days of 6 or 7 attempts of 20+ yards per game.  The only thing Cam lacked last year was the threat of the deep ball.  He operated very well in the offensive system Norv designed. 

[Lumps]

18 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

I'll be turning 30 this year as well. On June 22nd to be exact. When in the hell did 30 become old? The great QB's in the NFL now are playing well  into their late 30's. Since 30 is too old for you, I guess the Panthers should be looking to draft a 5 year old.

Cam does not play like other qbs. Without his dual threat ability is an average QB. Much of his ability to pass as he has, has relied on him being able to keep the defense honest spying on him taking off. Take that away and it hurts his game all around. Cam isn’t a passing QB or at least hasn’t been used as such and it’s hard to say he’d be as great as he is, passing-wise, without his running ability.

30 to everyone is different to everyone and depends on the person, but most people slow down after 30. I always laughed at this notion as well because I felt great at 30. Turning 34 this year and I am beginning to understand the saying, a hangover for example is a whole new ballgame at 34 than just turning 30.

[TheRed]

12 minutes ago, Lumps said:

Cam isn’t a passing QB or at least hasn’t been used as such and it’s hard to say he’d be as great as he is, passing-wise, without his running ability.

I get there are questions with his shoulder, but the guy entered the NFL throwing for 800 yards within his first 2 starts. Stop posting bullshit.

[Navy_football]

Cam is very good PASSING QB. He can run but he actually prefers not to run on designed pass plays. Stop listening to ESPN. He is not a one read and run QB. He has never actually been that. 

Now, he has taken some time to improve the speed of his progressions and he tends to lock in on one target pre-snap. Last season I saw him get away from that approach. Norv (and CMC) has made a huge difference in Cam's approach to the game. He's just looking to make completions and not constantly trying to make plays. Meaning, get the ball to the open receiver and let them do their jobs instead of forcing the ball into a tight window, or making a difficult throw for a big play. The players around him now are built for that approach as well - they are guys that can break tackles and make defenders miss in space. You just need to get them the ball. 

There's no way I would draft a QB this year without at least giving Cam an opportunity to prove last season's shoulder injury is no longer a concern. Worst case scenario you build the strongest team possible in preparation to draft a young QB in 2020. There's a difference between being proactive and panicking. Panicking after Norman left put the defensive secondary in the hole they were in. 

[Cookie Lyon]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

I get there are questions with his shoulder, but the guy entered the NFL throwing for 800 yards within his first 2 starts. Stop posting bullshit.

This

[raz]

man, he's no generational talent.  that's ridiculous.  tom brady is a generational talent.   michael jordan, lebron... cam is not that.   3 winning seasons.  1 mvp.  that's not even close to generational.  he's a top 10, top 12 qb in the league.   he's our qb, i love it when he's playing well and he sure makes us hard to stop, but come on.   and more people with inside sources  .  why do you think he's gone vegan?   its about the shoulder.  its an issue.   we'll see if it holds up.  we'll see if we can put a decent line in front of him opening day.   there's been years we looked good there on paper, and had all the decent ones go down in camp.   we're gonna see.  i do think this year is gonna define the future of the whole lot, rr, mh, and cam

[Navy_football]

7 minutes ago, raz said:

man, he's no generational talent.  that's ridiculous.  tom brady is a generational talent.   michael jordan, lebron... cam is not that.   3 winning seasons.  1 mvp.  that's not even close to generational.  he's a top 10, top 12 qb in the league.   he's our qb, i love it when he's playing well and he sure makes us hard to stop, but come on.   and more people with inside sources  .  why do you think he's gone vegan?   its about the shoulder.  its an issue.   we'll see if it holds up.  we'll see if we can put a decent line in front of him opening day.   there's been years we looked good there on paper, and had all the decent ones go down in camp.   we're gonna see.  i do think this year is gonna define the future of the whole lot, rr, mh, and cam

Winning seasons can't be the definition of a generational talent.

Barry Sanders and Dan Marino are the best players at their respective positions to ever play in the NFL. They both have one MVP each and similar wins/losses percentages as Cam. 

But you could look in the record books and that'll tell a different story. 

Tom Brady has been the beneficiary of arguably the best run team in the history of the NFL. 

[Lumps]

2 hours ago, TheRed said:

I get there are questions with his shoulder, but the guy entered the NFL throwing for 800 yards within his first 2 starts. Stop posting bullshit.

Matt Kalil had a pro bowl rookie season.

Has nothing to do with what I just posted. How he played 8 years ago as a young rookie teams never saw or planned for, without shoulder concerns, has nothing to do with how he is playing now and doesn’t have relevance. As a Cam fan I can see how that’s hard to accept.

 

[TheRed]

13 minutes ago, Lumps said:

Matt Kalil had a pro bowl rookie season.

Has nothing to do with what I just posted. How he played 8 years ago as a young rookie teams never saw or planned for, without shoulder concerns, has nothing to do with how he is playing now and doesn’t have relevance. As a Cam fan I can see how that’s hard to accept.

 

You compare Matt frigging Kalil to Cam Newton, and I'm the one with blinders on?

Yikes.

[L-TownCat]

22 hours ago, Snake said:

I don't need a crystal ball I have a source within the organization. Weeks have nothing to do with it. Cam went a year of just grinding through it. He thought PT could over come it and it didn't. Just like he thinks not flapping and going vegan gives him an edge. He's just a different cat and likes to go at it his own way.

No offense, but "I have a source" translates to crystal ball on the interwebs.  I really hope you are correct and Yes weeks do matter.  He really fell off mid way thru.  I want to see him hit midseason in full stride. I need to see the arm strength to push the ball deep again.  I'm optimistic about it, just ready to see it.

[Snake]

On 4/3/2019 at 1:20 AM, RIAnBOW said:

Good info there, thanks.  Out of curiosity, did your source indicate if bone spurs were also treated when the first surgery was done?

I'm told bone spurs do have a habit of recurring, especially in the presence of "repetitive motion" as you mentioned.  The best way to keep the spurs from coming back is to severely curtail or eliminate said repetitive motion, which we all know is not an option in this case. 

Bone spurs are also a strong indicator of arthritis.  There is real risk here as an arthritic shoulder which has been operated on twice has the potential to a very problematic situation.

Cam is an elite athlete with access to all the best medical and training techniques and if anyone can bounce back well from this it is him....but there are no guarantees.   Will be interesting to see what Tepper and Hurney do in order to backstop themselves and the team against this risk. 

That was of my opinion not my source. Bone spurs just naturally happen and were probably there before his injury. It's true they could come back but usually a sign of a degenerative disease if it happens that fast and Cam from what I'm informed doesn't have. So to summarize. Yes they could come back but probably not. The scar tissue was the bigger issue.

[Snake]

On 4/3/2019 at 7:37 AM, DeAngelo Beason said:

The whole point is he didn't need the arm power to have one of his best seasons.  I don't want to go back to the days of 6 or 7 attempts of 20+ yards per game.  The only thing Cam lacked last year was the threat of the deep ball.  He operated very well in the offensive system Norv designed. 

The team operated well around Cam.