How Would You Feel About Drafting Oline in R1 Now That We've Got Paradis and D.Williams?

[Sub Zero]

21 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I wonder why everyone thinks we are solid at WR.  DJ Moore is going into his second season, that I s usually not a good thing for WR.  Samuel has missed significant playing time every year.  Smith and Wright are Jags.  I'm not saying pick at 1 but we are defiantly not solid at WR

Because you just spent a 1st and 2nd round pick in consecutive years on the same position.. You can't keep doing that sooner or later you need to develop what you have and give them the reps.. Drafting another 1st round guy is spending way to much resources into 1 position.. Plus Moore and Samuel's did enough last year to make this position more secure..

[Sub Zero]

27 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I could see benefits to development-type OT and/or a 1st rounder.

Hears a juicy rumor I heard.  After the top five OL prospects, the remaining OL panthers viewed just as good as street free agents. That was their draft OL philosophy last few years.

I mean FS and edge(that's a tough one) where do the Panthers need a starter and the value matches the position for a1st rounder? Nickle is not worth a 1st and they have a few guys to fight it out. Safety takes a rare one to justify spending a 1st. Edge/DE is in flux with Irvin signing and depends on the system needs. Draft value sometimes doesn't fit a draft need. OT is among the top needs and spending a first wouldn't bother me. 

 

The problem with this is Bruce and Addison are 30 plus and on 1 year deals.. So that signing doesn't lesson the need for younger pass rusher on this roster...

[Sub Zero]

26 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I don’t think it’s wise to lock into 1 position. Just about any position we take could have major upside and an immediate impact for us. We are counting on several players to stay healthy this year that haven’t done so in years past.

RB would seem silly, since we are all in playing Mccaffrey on 90%+ of the snaps. 

Factor in these current starters will also be free agents next year as well. 

1.Bradberry

2. Shaq

3. Daryl Williams 

4. Mario Addison

5. Bruce Irvin

Then add in these potential cap casualties after the season

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

1. Short , 2020 Cap hit $18 million. Only 8 Million in dead cap if cut, for net savings up 10 million or 14 if post June 1st cut

2. Poe,  2020 cap hit of 13.3 million, with only 3 million in dead cap, with immediate savings of 10 million if cut. 

3.Olsen, 2020 cap hit of 11.8 million, with only 3.7 in dead money of cut, for an immediate savings 7.1 Million. 

Cutting those 3 guys would save us 27 Million alone,on top of the 45 million we are projected to have in cap space would put us over 70 million in cap space for 2020. 

Granted that would mean we are replacing or resigning/ restricting  8 starters at some of the highest price free agent positions out there as well.

Worth noting Butler is a free agent in 2020 as well since I mentioned the possibility of cutting the 2 guys in front of him. (This assumes we don’t exercise the 5th year option and why would we based on what we’ve seen so far)

 

That's alot of Dlienmen in flux next year right?? This draft is very strong in Dlinemen right??

That seem like a planet a line situation...

[Basbear]

8 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

The problem with this is Bruce and Addison are 30 plus and on 1 year deals.. So that signing doesn't lesson the need for younger pass rusher on this roster...

That's true, while younger Williams is on one year deal too. You can not pay top dollar to all positions. Panthers may not want to pay RT top money, so he'd be out the door.  Poop could hit the fan and there is a run on edge before 16. OT matches with value at that point( Unless you want to open QB need can of worms ).

Honestly, we don't know if Williams will be ready come week one. He showed toughness in fighting through last year, that knee could have nerve damage along with other issues. Lots of teams were scared away.  

Currently, there are no long term options at OT(moton on year 3 of 4). Plus there's no depth as well, again I've wanted at least 2 picks spent on OT. 

Sub would you want the #1 OT(6th-ish overall) on your board or #7(25th-ish overall) edge guy?

[KillerKat]

1 hour ago, Panthero said:

He doesn't, he plays after Williams dips and we move moron back to right tackle. 

Moton can play anywhere. I think he would go to LG if we pick a player that is strictly a tackle.

[Sub Zero]

14 minutes ago, Basbear said:

That's true, while younger Williams is on one year deal too. You can not pay top dollar to all positions. Panthers may not want to pay RT top money, so he'd be out the door.  Poop could hit the fan and there is a run on edge before 16. OT matches with value at that point( Unless you want to open QB need can of worms ).

Honestly, we don't know if Williams will be ready come week one. He showed toughness in fighting through last year, that knee could have nerve damage along with other issues. Lots of teams were scared away.  

Currently, there are no long term options at OT(moton on year 3 of 4). Plus there's no depth as well, again I've wanted at least 2 picks spent on OT. 

Sub would you want the #1 OT(6th-ish overall) on your board or #7(25th-ish overall) edge guy?

Easier to find RT than it is edge rushers..

Plus this is the best Dlinemen draft in decades so taking the benefit the draft is giving you is a must.. Most times you won't find this many quality pass rusher and DT in 3 drafts combined.. You should always plan to take advantage the strength of the draft..

If the OT can play guard I have no problem with grabbing him at 16 (Johna Williams or Cody Ford) because I get the value of a starter this year and a replacement for DWill next year.. If it's just a guy who plays RT no .. Give the 6th rated DE in this strong DE draft or a top Secondary player .. I can get a depth RT later in the draft..

[Sub Zero]

22 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Moton can play anywhere. I think he would go to LG if we pick a player that is strictly a tackle.

Nah.. That would be a injustice to Moton.. He and his agent knows the pay check for a guard compare to a LT.. There is no way after having a strong season at OT that you move me to guard and lesson my value.. He deserves a chance to start at LT and develop..

[Basbear]

16 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

Easier to find RT than it is edge rushers..

Plus this is the best Dlinemen draft in decades so taking the benefit the draft is giving you is a must.. Most times you won't find this many quality pass rusher and DT in 3 drafts combined.. You should always plan to take advantage the strength of the draft..

If the OT can play guard I have no problem with grabbing him at 16 (Johna Williams or Cody Ford) because I get the value of a starter this year and a replacement for DWill next year.. If it's just a guy who plays RT no .. Give the 6th rated DE in this strong DE draft or a top Secondary player .. I can get a depth RT later in the draft..

That's fair. Though I will say an OT pick in the first better be for LT, not RT. 

For the record, I'd have no problem with spending all 7 picks on OL/DL. Prefered 4 on DL(2 edge/de & 2 DT) and 3 OL (2OT & 1 LG). Williams and Irvin have done little to change that since the offseason beginning. This draft has top-end talent and depth throughout the draft could hit on a late round edge being overlooked.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I'd have a bit of a problem with it. Especially with this crop of DL players in the draft, and with such a huge need at DL.

[Panfan35]

Dj Moore vs metcalf is apples and oranges my friend metcalf is a #1 wr we also need a replacement at TE something to ponder but with all the money spent in FA we are not going o line  and if all the elite edge rushers are gone I could see a different draft outcome than you suppose 

[AU-panther]

As much as people around here complain about Cam not having protection I don't see how you can really complain too much about drafting another O-lineman. 

Also we have two tackles right now (Williams and Moton) and neither or are really proven at LT.  I know Moton looked decent there in very limited action but still a very small sample size.  Also Williams has a bit of an injury history all ready.

I'm not a huge fan of drafting interior lineman in the first, especially at 16.  I would think if we do draft an o-lineman it will be someone who has the potential to play tackle, or maybe they think Moton or Williams can play guard.

I just hope we don't force something.  Don't overthink it.  This draft seems really deep on the D-line and we could defiantly use help there also.

I would be happy with a edge defender (4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB) or an interior D-lineman (3-4 End, 4-3 DT, or NT) in the first two rounds.   Something like a Brian Burns in the first and Jerry Tillery in the second.

 

 

 

 

[Sub Zero]

35 minutes ago, Panfan35 said:

Dj Moore vs metcalf is apples and oranges my friend metcalf is a #1 wr we also need a replacement at TE something to ponder but with all the money spent in FA we are not going o line  and if all the elite edge rushers are gone I could see a different draft outcome than you suppose 

DK Metcalf stats..

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dk-metcalf-1.html

Dj Moore college stats 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dj-moore-3.html

What are you smoking??

Let's also put in the caveat that 1 of these guys played with 8 different QBS  in his college career.. And still dominated in the big 10.. 

Stop letting the combine form your opinion.. 90% of the time you will be wrong and look stupid..

You lose all credibility after the 1st sentence..

Then the TIght end thing??? You just signed Manhertz (2 year deal) so he is going to be here.. Olsen isn't retiring so he Is going to be here .. Ian Thomas played solid for a 4th round Rookie TE so he is going to be here.. Why do we need to draft another TE now??

Ppl we have a RB who will get alot touches 2 WR who will get their touches 2 TE who will get their  touches  and 2 vet WR who will get some touches .. We only play with 1 ball.. Other than a back up RB and a 4th thru 6th WR .. We aren't adding any offensive  skill position players high in this draft.. It would be ridiculously stupid..

[heel31ok]

5 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

So say we draft a OT 1st.. What position does he play at?? Dwill is on a 1 year prove it deal and if healthy he starts.. And Moton had a good season no way he goes back to the bench.. So where does your 1st round rookie OT play if he can't play guard or center..

Perfect worlds don't exist as we have seen since Gross retired...but let me be clear draft a LT ...he will play LT...Williams on a 1 yr...can't wait til next year to fill that void...maybe needed sooner if injury occurs ...there will be plenty of reps to go around...

[Sub Zero]

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

Perfect worlds don't exist as we have seen since Gross retired...but let me be clear draft a LT ...he will play LT...Williams on a 1 yr...can't wait til next year to fill that void...maybe needed sooner if injury occurs ...there will be plenty of reps to go around...

Agree to disagree.. I want day 1 starters with the 1st 2 picks.. And I think Moton will be a above avg to pro bowl LT if giving a chance..