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[Jackofalltrades]

2 hours ago, Harbingers said:

Facepalm. 

Our ancestors were predators and predominantly carnivores for how many 10s of thousands of years? Before we figured out agriculture?

Why did we go on regular hunts? 

You remember the cave drawings of broccoli, right? Check out Dr. Georgia Ede, she has some amazing evidence of how our brains handle meat vs plants. 

[Still Brooklyn]

The smugness in this thread is at an all time high.

[Harbingers]

1 hour ago, Jackofalltrades said:

You remember the cave drawings of broccoli, right? Check out Dr. Georgia Ede, she has some amazing evidence of how our brains handle meat vs plants. 

I’m really curious to see if there is anything equivalent in the oldest cave drawings. 

[Harbingers]

1 hour ago, Still Brooklyn said:

The smugness in this thread is at an all time high.

Blame the mass bean farts. They are on par with Prius drivers. 

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, PanthersBigD said:

Our ancestors died at like 35 years old...

Actually, you're referring to the mean life expectancy of the era, which then was skewed by the high death rate of newborns and young children.  It wasn't because they weren't vegan.

[Harbingers]

9 hours ago, Chaos said:

Actually, you're referring to the mean life expectancy of the era, which then was skewed by the high death rate of newborns and young children.  It wasn't because they weren't vegan.

That’s just a small piece of the picture dealing with westernized people as well. Not to mention the rampant diseases. 

Take Japan for example. During the Edo period the life expectancy was well over 50 years old. Yes, they didn’t eat as much meat due to edicts from Buddhism since well before the edo period(that did not include wild boar, bear, deer, wild birds, etc). They just didn’t eat domesticated animals. They ate the fug out of seafood.

When they incorporated sparing amounts of domesticated meat back into their diet during the late Edo period there life’s expectancy didn’t go down. As seen by the fact they are at the top of the life expectancy chain on average. With the Ryukyu’s competing with just a few other spots on earth for the centennial crown.  

Their key, don’t eat absurd amounts of meat constantly but don’t shun it either. It’s all about moderation. 

There is something that lacks in the western diet that 99% of the population would turn their nose up to. Even the so called carnivores here.

Raw Red Meat. Humans are suppose to eat at least 4oz up to 8oz a week of uncooked. Raw meat. The nutritional properties are alone make it worth the fact you are going against everything you ever learned about food safety. When you cook meat you introduce carcinogens and break down key nutrients. 

Hell you can eat almost anything raw in Japan and it’s divine.(there is no salmonella in Japan). Chicken tender nigiri. You have no idea. 

That’s only one group of people, because it’s well documented. That’s not even touching on Italy/Sardinia/China/Native people’s/Arctic people and the pleothra of others. Veganism and vegetarianism, is a choice. Some people have to eat in that method for health reasons that would kill them otherwise. That’s a tiny piece of the total population. 

The actual proper diet is 60% vegetables/whole grains/fruit((15% of that needs to be fermented)I can break that down further if needed)), 20% seafood, 20% meat(with at least 5% actual animal fats and 2% raw meat). 

 Anyone that tells you otherwise if it isn’t for a life ending medical condition. Simply does not know what they are talking about.

[Jackofalltrades]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

The actual proper diet is 60% vegetables/whole grains/fruit((15% of that needs to be fermented)I can’t break that down further if needed)), 20% seafood, 20% meat(with at least 5% actual animal fats and 2% raw meat). 

 Anyone that tells you otherwise if it isn’t for a life ending medical condition. Simply does not know what they are talking about.

There’s zero need for carbs or plants of any kind, I’ll stick to my meat, eggs and dairy. I feel the people I follow do know what they’re talking about. 

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, Jackofalltrades said:

There’s zero need for carbs or plants of any kind, I’ll stick to my meat, eggs and dairy. I feel the people I follow do know what they’re talking about. 

What was the last vegetable you ate? 

[Fryfan]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/humans-colonized-americas-along-coast-not-through-ice-180960103/

 

Two main pieces of information.  Early migration into our country most likely was coastal.  There is evidence of coastal migration throughout europe also.

Secondly - wetlands and shorelines were the most sustainable areas to live for our early  human ancestors and very likely is linked to our brain growth.

 

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-02/nsae-tsf021706.php

 

"The shores gave us food security and higher nutrient density. My hypothesis is that to permit the brain to start to increase in size, the fittest early humans were those with the fattest infants," says Dr. Cunnane, author of the book Survival of the Fattest, published in 2005.

Unlike the prehistoric savannahs or forests, argues Dr. Cunnane, ancient shoreline environments provided a year-round, accessible and rich food supply. Such an environment was found in the wetlands and river and lake shorelines that dominated east Africa's prehistoric Rift Valley in which early humans evolved.

Forget the textbook story about tool use and language sparking the dramatic evolutionary growth of the human brain. Instead, imagine ancient hominid children chasing frogs. Not for fun, but for food.

According to Dr. Stephen Cunnane it was a rich and secure shore-based diet that fuelled and provided the essential nutrients to make our brains what they are today. Controversially, according to Dr. Cunnane our initial brain boost didn't happen by adaptation, but by exaptation, or chance.

"Anthropologists and evolutionary biologists usually point to things like the rise of language and tool making to explain the massive expansion of early hominid brains. But this is a Catch-22. Something had to start the process of brain expansion and I think it was early humans eating clams, frogs, bird eggs and fish from shoreline environments. This is what created the necessary physiological conditions for explosive brain growth," says Dr. Cunnane, a metabolic physiologist at the University of Sherbrooke in Sherbrooke, Quebec.

 

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Our brains had to grow big enough to leave any type of written record - that was started by a sea based and gathering based diet.

 

 

 

 

[Jackofalltrades]

16 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

What was the last vegetable you ate? 

Been over a year, couldn’t even tell you. 

[Jackofalltrades]

17 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/humans-colonized-americas-along-coast-not-through-ice-180960103/

 

Two main pieces of information.  Early migration into our country most likely was coastal.  There is evidence of coastal migration throughout europe also.

Secondly - wetlands and shorelines were the most sustainable areas to live for our early  human ancestors and very likely is linked to our brain growth.

 

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-02/nsae-tsf021706.php

 

"The shores gave us food security and higher nutrient density. My hypothesis is that to permit the brain to start to increase in size, the fittest early humans were those with the fattest infants," says Dr. Cunnane, author of the book Survival of the Fattest, published in 2005.

Unlike the prehistoric savannahs or forests, argues Dr. Cunnane, ancient shoreline environments provided a year-round, accessible and rich food supply. Such an environment was found in the wetlands and river and lake shorelines that dominated east Africa's prehistoric Rift Valley in which early humans evolved.

Forget the textbook story about tool use and language sparking the dramatic evolutionary growth of the human brain. Instead, imagine ancient hominid children chasing frogs. Not for fun, but for food.

According to Dr. Stephen Cunnane it was a rich and secure shore-based diet that fuelled and provided the essential nutrients to make our brains what they are today. Controversially, according to Dr. Cunnane our initial brain boost didn't happen by adaptation, but by exaptation, or chance.

"Anthropologists and evolutionary biologists usually point to things like the rise of language and tool making to explain the massive expansion of early hominid brains. But this is a Catch-22. Something had to start the process of brain expansion and I think it was early humans eating clams, frogs, bird eggs and fish from shoreline environments. This is what created the necessary physiological conditions for explosive brain growth," says Dr. Cunnane, a metabolic physiologist at the University of Sherbrooke in Sherbrooke, Quebec.

 

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Our brains had to grow big enough to leave any type of written record - that was started by a sea based and gathering based diet.

 

 

 

 

 

[Fryfan]

3 minutes ago, Jackofalltrades said:

 

Okay if you want a quack who had bowel cancer and died of a heart attack guiding your diet so be it.

 

Enjoy.

 

 

[Harbingers]

11 minutes ago, Jackofalltrades said:

Been over a year, couldn’t even tell you. 

When was the last time you ate candy or ice cream? 

[Jackofalltrades]

16 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

Okay if you want a quack who had bowel cancer and died of a heart attack guiding your diet so be it.

He died of a congenital heart defect which also killed his father and brother, but hey - just details, right?

I can’t find anything about him and cancer.