Panthers Showing Interest In Vikings DE Everson Griffen

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, PanthersBigD said:

I'm disappointed to see you make such a stupid comment. Comments like yours contribute to the stigma that keeps people silent about their mental health issues. 

Greg Hardy's situation was completely different, in the way it transpired and the way it was dealt with by both the player and the team. 

See my previous responses.

[PantherBrew]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Your last paragraph is completely off base.

Football wise, I'd refer you to the cases of Barrett Robbins and Stanley Wilson, two guys who chose the absolute worst possible time to have issues.

Okay, I would refer you to Brandon Brooks and Steve Smith Sr. would you like more names to go against your false narrative. 

 

“It’s a stigma where it’s seen as a weakness. When you bring it to light, a lot of people in this world have it.” ―Lane Johnson
Philadelphia Eagles offensive tackle Lane Johnson opened up about mental health in an interview with ESPN following a story about his teammate Brandon Brooks, who revealed that he was dealing with severe anxiety. The discussion came right before the Eagles’ big Super Bowl game ― and eventual championship win ― in 2018.

“It’s not foreign. It’s just something that’s not talked about,” Johnson said of mental health. “It’s a stigma where it’s seen as a weakness. When you bring it to light, a lot of people in this world have it.”

[TheSpecialJuan]

Will Vikings DE Everson Griffen agree to contract restructure before Friday?

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/14/will-vikings-de-everson-griffen-agree-to-contract-restructure-before-friday/

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, this scares me. 

We would really be putting a lot of our eggs in baskets with serious question marks. Paradis coming off of a broken leg. Williams coming off of a season ending knee injury. Cam's shoulder. Griffen coming off of a mental breakdown, not to mention the fact that he's 31.

If everything worked out, those moves could honestly make us a contender but there's a very real chance that it could absolutely blow up in our faces.

Williams was hurt early so he more than likely will come back a healthy scratch. That was more so his fault for trying to play on the jacked up knee to begin with for $$$. I don't know much about Paradis' injury to warrant an opinion other than he broke his leg. We done well with question mark pieces in the past. Here's hoping that trend continues.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, PantherBrew said:

Okay, I would refer you to Brandon Brooks and Steve Smith Sr. would you like more names to go against your false narrative. 

“It’s a stigma where it’s seen as a weakness. When you bring it to light, a lot of people in this world have it.” ―Lane Johnson
Philadelphia Eagles offensive tackle Lane Johnson opened up about mental health in an interview with ESPN following a story about his teammate Brandon Brooks, who revealed that he was dealing with severe anxiety. The discussion came right before the Eagles’ big Super Bowl game ― and eventual championship win ― in 2018.

“It’s not foreign. It’s just something that’s not talked about,” Johnson said of mental health. “It’s a stigma where it’s seen as a weakness. When you bring it to light, a lot of people in this world have it.”

Again, I'm not looking at it through a societal lens, only a football one.

I don't think he's worth the risk. If you do, fine. I disagree. 

[PanthersBigD]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See my previous responses.

I did. Your comment was still stupid and careless. 

A huge part of the reason the other cases you refer to exist in the first place is the fact that there is a stigma to mental illness, and admitting that you have it, and dealing with it openly is considered weak by many and makes the player the object of ridicule. 

Your take on this is bad. 

[PantherBrew]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Again, I'm not looking at it through a societal lens, only a football one.

I don't think he's worth the risk. If you do, fine. I disagree. 

Fair enough.  I guess it comes down to the fact that I worry less about those who seek help.  IMO, takes a really strong person to do that.  I like strong people on my teams. 

[Dex]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, I'm not looking at it through a societal lens, only a football one.

I don't think he's worth the risk. If you do, fine. I disagree. 

Griffin aside, I don't think you're fully aware of how many people battle mental health issues. Griffin's just happen to have been put under the microscope. I'm sure there are scores in the NFL that we don't even know about. As for risk his contract shows it's a relatively low one depending on the compensation the Vikings are seeking.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

Williams was hurt early so he more than likely will come back a healthy scratch. That was more so his fault for trying to play on the jacked up knee to begin with for $$$. I don't know much about Paradis' injury to warrant an opinion other than he broke his leg. We done well with question mark pieces in the past. Here's hoping that trend continues.

I never blame a player for playing through an injury. Quite the opposite. It's up to the medical staff to not allow players to put themselves at unnecessary risk of aggravating an existing injury.

The issue with Williams' injury is that it evidently carries a significant risk of re-injury. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bringing him back on a one year, low consequence contract but that's the reality of the situation and it's why we were able to bring him back on a one year, low consequence contract. Daryl wanted to test the open market and he saw what was out there.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

I did. Your comment was still stupid and careless. 

A huge part of the reason the other cases you refer to exist in the first place is the fact that there is a stigma to mental illness, and admitting that you have it, and dealing with it openly is considered weak by many and makes the player the object of ridicule. 

Your take on this is bad. 

See je1005's take.

1 minute ago, PantherBrew said:

Fair enough.  I guess it comes down to the fact that I worry less about those who seek help.  IMO, takes a really strong person to do that.  I like strong people on my teams. 

I like them better when they're under 30 and paid less.

His contract may not be back-breaking, but we don't exactly have a strong back right now.

[panthers55]

34 minutes ago, je1005 said:

Trust me, I don’t view any transaction as a charity case. 

I respect how he’s handling his struggle. I also don’t believe it’s a true fit at this point, from a financial/football perspective.

It’s the same pushback I got from some fans when I said I’d rather not retain Eric Reid. I didn’t view Reid as an optimal long-term component for this secondary. I had to navigate through some fairly ignorant political landmines to explain this, particularly considering I don’t care about his personal affairs. 

Mental health awareness is a very important issue to me and many people I know. But not for a second will I blame a football team for passing on a player if it’s not a good fit, even if that player suffers from mental illness. 

Problem is many football players currently playing on teams have various degrees of mental illness. Most times it is undiagnosed and untreated. That is in addition to all of the depression caused by long term brain injury from repetitive concussions and head trauma. At least in this case the problems are identified and being treated. That is better than teams who take players who have issues which are undiagnosed or treated. I can think of a player traded yesterday who clearly appears to be suffering from mental illness.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Dex said:

Griffin aside, I don't think you're fully aware of how many people battle mental health issues. Griffin's just happen to have been put under the microscope. I'm sure there are scores in the NFL that we don't even know about. As for risk his contract shows it's a relatively low one depending on the compensation the Vikings are seeking.

You have no idea what I'm aware of because I haven't talked about it outside of a football context.

It's not that different from taking my opinion that Ron Rivera isn't a good coach and expanding it to believe that I think Hispanic people can't coach.

 

[PantherBrew]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See je1005's take.

I like them better when they're under 30 and paid less.

His contract may not be back-breaking, but we don't exactly have a strong back right now.

I gotcha, and if that is the argument then it is 100% fair.  

[Dex]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

You have no idea what I'm aware of because I haven't talked about it outside of a football context.

It's not that different from taking my opinion that Ron Rivera isn't a good coach and expanding it to believe that I think Hispanic people can't coach.

 

I don't agree with that analogy.

 

Anywho he it seems to be a low risk/high reward situation.