Saints Keep Making !@#*% Space

[panthers55]

49 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Unearned signing bonus money can be recouped after a retirement. 

But it rarely is. How much did Atlanta recoup after the 110 million Vick contract and he went to jail on the dogfighting charges. 

[SOJA]

3 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Fake news. 

Barely contributed? Lol. Davenport was really coming on before he had the turf toe that should have shut him down for the season. Double digit sacks this year. 

He doesn’t have a $41 million cap hit at any point. 

13 games 22 tackles 4.5 sacks 

If you get the chance to give up two first rounders for that you just HAVE to. 

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Over the cap shows that they will have over 90 million cap space next year?? And us back to bottom 6 in the league? 

But how many  guys are signed? 51 or 35? If they have tons of cash it usually means they have lots of guys to resign or lots of holes.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

But it rarely is. How much did Atlanta recoup after the 110 million Vick contract and he went to jail on the dogfighting charges. 

Vick didn't retire though. That was a special circumstance fought out in federal court. The Bills recouped Vontae Davis' signing bonus money. Calvin Johnson paid back some signing bonus money too. The Cowboys cut Romo to avoid the possibility of him having to pay back bonus money. Gamble forced us to cut him to ensure he didn't have to pay back bonus money.

These types of situations aren't uncommon.

[trueblade]

[panthers55]

45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If there is signing bonus money left in future years of a contract, the team can absolutely recoup that money from the player if he retires. In that respect, yes they can absolutely make it go away.

They can but only the unearned signing bonus on a new contract or extension. In Brees case any restructured amounts can't be recouped since they were already earned and aren't new money for additional years. A retirement works the same as being cut and any guaranteed money included restructured money accelerates.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap

[panthers55]

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Vick didn't retire though. That was a special circumstance fought out in federal court. The Bills recouped Vontae Davis' signing bonus money. Calvin Johnson paid back some signing bonus money too. The Cowboys cut Romo to avoid the possibility of him having to pay back bonus money. Gamble forced us to cut him to ensure he didn't have to pay back bonus money.

These types of situations aren't uncommon.

It worked the same way. Vick was prevented from further play with an indefinite suspension at the time by his own negligence which is why he was liable for repayment. You are right though that cuts do not require pay backs. The same with retirement for injuries with some limitations. But is it common? No. 

[saints4lifeagain]

46 minutes ago, SOJA said:

13 games 22 tackles 4.5 sacks 

If you get the chance to give up two first rounders for that you just HAVE to. 

They clearly made the trade for what he would accomplish his rookie year lol. The rest of the career doesn’t matter. Welp. We gave up two first rounders for 4.5 sacks. 

[Peppers90 NC]

52 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

But how many  guys are signed? 51 or 35? If they have tons of cash it usually means they have lots of guys to resign or lots of holes.

Try 21

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Try 21

Exactly..  As soon as they resign or add the rest of the guys that will count under the cap, their cap room will be gone 

[Peppers90 NC]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Exactly..  As soon as they resign or add the rest of the guys that will count under the cap, their cap room will be gone 

Most of their good players are either locked up or on rookie contracts. While whoever suggested that they have 100+ next year is misleading, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon at least while Brees is there. Michael Thomas is gonna average 18/year so that will quickly lower that number.

[SOJA]

34 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

We gave up two first rounders for 4.5 sacks. 

Damn man not sure why anyone would do that. Don't give up on the young buck yet!

[panthers55]

22 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Most of their good players are either locked up or on rookie contracts. While whoever suggested that they have 100+ next year is misleading, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon at least while Brees is there. Michael Thomas is gonna average 18/year so that will quickly lower that number.

And they are going to have to pay all those guys on rookie contracts or lose them. Teams that always kick cap costs down the road rarely change unless their GM has a catharsis or get fired and has to reevaluate 

[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Unearned signing bonus money can be recouped after a retirement. 

That is why I said mostly. I think the unsigned bonus money goes thru arbitration.