Saints Keep Making !@#*% Space

[*FreeFua*]

37 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

the other 1% are browns fans

I should change that pic.

I started using it because we were just as big of a dumpster fire as the Browns last offseason. Now not only did the Browns beat us last season, they finished with a better record than us and quite frankly it’s insulting to the Browns to compare them to us.

[LinvilleGorge]

It's really starting to look like the Saints are continuing to kick the can down the road with Brees hoping that at some point he retires and let's them off the hook for it. If he doesn't, at some point it's really going to bite them in the ass but they're all in on the strategy at this point. I mean, honestly it's probably smart to try to capitalize on the final years of a HOF QB. When he retires it'll be full on rebuild time anyway.

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

If he retires after this year are they off the hook for the 41 mil?

From what I read, retirement is mostly treated the same as a cut.  So I don't think they are.  

[MrBubba]

I remember a couple of months ago that Saints were going to be in cap trouble this year, and would have to cut a bunch of guys.

Every year Saints are in trouble, yet keep signing guys, they play the cap about as well as anyone.  

[MasterAwesome]

I admit to being pretty unfamiliar with the cap system, but logically speaking...there has to be a big hit to the cap in case of retirement after making a restructure like this, right? Otherwise, every team could just keep extending their players, then keep restructuring and pushing the cap hit down the road, and so on long enough until eventual retirement and then whatever astronomical cap number just gets wiped clean?

[JARROD]

Well we could do the same if we wanted with Cam. That’s like $10million saved.

Of course Hurney is smart long term for once to see what Cams shoulder and rebound look like.

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

From what I read, retirement is mostly treated the same as a cut.  So I don't think they are.  

Unearned signing bonus money can be recouped after a retirement. 

[Moo Daeng]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Unearned signing bonus money can be recouped after a retirement. 

I hope there is a mechanism to prevent a team from.pushing the cap down the road until the player retires. I dont think they can escape their cap implications. It's not like hes converting his bonus to salary.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

I hope there is a mechanism to prevent a team from.pushing the cap down the road until the player retires. I dont think they can escape their cap implications 

 

There is. The player and his agent not agreeing to it. Brees has always been pretty outspoken player pay, etc. I don't think he'd be a willing participant to leaving money on the table. Then again, maybe his priorities have changed in the twilight of his career trying to chase another ring. Who knows?

My suspicion though is that the Saints are just doing all they can to go all in on maximizing Brees' final years and they'll deal with the ramifications during the rebuild after his retirement.

[luke nukem]

This move tells me its Drews final year. Rejoice.

[Moo Daeng]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There is. The player and his agent not agreeing to it. Brees has always been pretty outspoken player pay, etc. I don't think he'd be a willing participant to leaving money on the table. Then again, maybe his priorities have changed in the twilight of his career trying to chase another ring. Who knows?

My suspicion though is that the Saints are just doing all they can to go all in on maximizing Brees' final years and they'll deal with the ramifications during the rebuild after his retirement.

But he is agreeing to it so its obviously not in opposition to his best interest. They both cant win by kicking the can.

They can push bonus Cap accounting but they cant make it go away.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Moo Daeng said:

But he is agreeing to it so its obviously not in opposition to his best interest. They both cant win by kicking the can.

They can push bonus Cap accounting but they cant make it go away.

If there is signing bonus money left in future years of a contract, the team can absolutely recoup that money from the player if he retires. In that respect, yes they can absolutely make it go away.

[Moo Daeng]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If there is signing bonus money left in future years of a contract, the team can absolutely recoup that money from the player if he retires. In that respect, yes they can absolutely make it go away.

But asking Brees, who is no idiot, to restructure because you need him to and then asking for money back wont work. They cant ask him to draw it out for their benefit then penalize him for it.

 

It would work for a player retiring before expected but not for a HOF QB you are begging to stay and who doesnt need to 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

But asking Brees, who is no idiot, to restructure because you need him to and then asking for money back wont work. They cant ask him to draw it out for their benefit then penalize him for it.

 

It would work for a player retiring before expected but not for a HOF QB you are begging to stay and who doesnt need to 

Which is exactly my point. The Saints are just going all in to try to maximize the final years of Brees' career and they'll deal with the fallout from it when he retires.