OBJ TRADED TO BROWNS

[frash.exe]

47 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

A dumbass what are you arguing now??

Everybody knows who gave out the contracts 2010 and 2011 .. I've said that 3x now .

2. 2011 thru 2013 the team was building.. New coaching,  Franchise QB, defense getting new leaders and a Dpoy candidate, Identity found, =Win totals increased.. Nobody fault but yours that "you" couldn't see this team was trending up..

Either you're a moron or just handicapped.. 

1.The offense went from worst in history (2010) to top 5 (2011).. And stayed top 10 2012.. So I guess you thought that wasn't improvement??

2. The defense went from bottom 5 (2011) to ending the season top 12 in (2012) (with the rookie defensive player of the year).. Did you not notice this from your grown up table??

3. 2013 Defense with Luke playing a full season in the middle, Hardy becoming a Monster, Norman finally playing team defense, TD being healthy, CJ in his prime.. Became a top 5 defense..

Add

Cam coming into his own finishing games and taking care of the balk, Steve still having juice and Olsen coming in his prime .. 

All build to a 13-3 season.. 

Sorry you couldn't see this building from 2011..

Dude you can't afford a grownup table stfu..

we weren’t 13-3 you putrid twat. we went 12-4 in 2013

i’m putting your dumb ass on ignore bc you clearly don’t get it. idk what i was thinking quoting someone unironically setting their avatar to a minion expecting them to be anything but an incoherent fool. spending hundreds of millions of dollars to lock up your core of guys that you brought in along the last regime isn’t a “rebuilding” phase no matter how many times you repeat to yourself that it is. 

[Icege]

8 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

1. Put our franchise QB out there in 2014 with Byron Bell and Nate Chandler as starting OT and a backup from Canada.. Because you were ready to move on from Jordan Gross.. Geinus Move.. Byron was left handed..smh

2. After a a solid 13-3 years let's blow up the WR corp.. Smitty's a cancer, Lafell isn't worth bringing back, Ginn isn't worth 2mil.. No let's go into the 2014 season with a rookie at number1 WR and no WR's on the roster that has caught a pass from Cam ever.. Genius.. smh

3. 2016 Superbowl Secondary led the league in TO the year before.. Yeah let's blow that up.. Oh and let's do it after FA is done so we have to draft Our starting CB unit?? Genius.. A position group of rookies and garbage FA after having one of the best secondary the year before..smh lol

Yeah Gman always did what was best for the team...

Lol

1. Gross retired in 2014 with one year left on his contract. He wasn't cut. Bell being left-handed came from Rivera. Let's stop slinging everything we can here in an attempt to try and justify irrational disdain, because now there's false narratives being created.

2. That 2013 WR group was Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Pilares, King, and McNutt. The 2014 group was Kelvin Benjamin, Jericho Cotchery, Philly Brown, and Brenton Bersin. Ginn chased money to go out to Arizona, Pilares sucked, LaFell was never anything better than a decent #3/below average #2. Smitty was Smitty. But since we're throwing out records, that 2015 15-1 WR group: KB (IR), Funchess, Cotchery, Ginn, Philly, Bersin, and Norwood. The 2015 SB WRs have a lot more in common with that 2014 group that 2013 was "blown up" for.

3. Why are you insisting on saying that one person blew something up when he literally made ONE move? You've stated this with WRs, which was just shown to be false. Now you're doing the same with DBs? Coleman was still with the team. Tre Boston was the FS, who was with the team in 2015, and went down with an injury. Tillman retired. Benwikere returned a shell of himself. The only "move" that was made was JNo. One player is not blowing up a position group, let's please quit that nonsense.

[JARROD]

Fight fight fight!

[frash.exe]

“hey guys first step to rebuilding is you’ve got to spend all your cap space on contract extensions for guys that are already here until there’s nothing left to fill the massive holes everywhere else on this team, much like the limited time i spend making any effort to shut my mouth and open my ears is not enough to fill the massive void that is inside my skull”

[Sub Zero]

19 minutes ago, Icege said:

1. Gross retired in 2014 with one year left on his contract. He wasn't cut. Bell being left-handed came from Rivera. Let's stop slinging everything we can here in an attempt to try and justify irrational disdain, because now there's false narratives being created.

2. That 2013 WR group was Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Pilares, King, and McNutt. The 2014 group was Kelvin Benjamin, Jericho Cotchery, Philly Brown, and Brenton Bersin. Ginn chased money to go out to Arizona, Pilares sucked, LaFell was never anything better than a decent #3/below average #2. Smitty was Smitty. But since we're throwing out records, that 2015 15-1 WR group: KB (IR), Funchess, Cotchery, Ginn, Philly, Bersin, and Norwood. The 2015 SB WRs have a lot more in common with that 2014 group that 2013 was "blown up" for.

3. Why are you insisting on saying that one person blew something up when he literally made ONE move? You've stated this with WRs, which was just shown to be false. Now you're doing the same with DBs? Coleman was still with the team. Tre Boston was the FS, who was with the team in 2015, and went down with an injury. Tillman retired. Benwikere returned a shell of himself. The only "move" that was made was JNo. One player is not blowing up a position group, let's please quit that nonsense.

1. Lie .. Don't care if you want to admit it but everybody knows the behind the scenes on this story.. Gross would have play 2 more years if Gman hadn't poo on him when restructuring his contract the year before.. This is facts..

Also Gman said the left handed poo to you lying motherfuger..

2. 2014 it cost you more to lose smitty, Ginn didn't get crazy money from Zona.. Not to mention Gman has already admitted not bringing Ginn back was mistake.. He tried to Byron bell and Nate Chandler the situation With Mcnutt and King.. Still neither has any chemistry with Cam and were done before the season started.. So We start the year with no WR on the team having any chemistry with Cam .. But of course worshipping Gman makes you see the genius in this..

Oh 2015 different situation  Ginn back (after gman admits his mistake) Cam has chemistry with Cotch and Philly from the year before.. That's 3 wr more than he had any experience with at the start of 2014. Also Funch had most of the season to get up to speed before he was counted on. Add in Competent OT play from not Byron Bell and Nate Chandler and a Defense leading the league in TO.. You get 2015..

3. You knew you were losing Peanut.. 

You didn't bring back old beard..

And the catalyst, attitude and face of the secondary you get rid of because he didn't kiss your ass in contract negotiations.. Then you waited till after FA to do it where you couldn't find a competent replacement.. Genius

You knew you had to already replace Peanut why pull the tag on Norman you had him by the balls for cheap.. Gman let his ego get the best of him and decided to blow up the secondary instead of holding Norman until you can pair him with a rookie for a season.. Then turn him lose.. Like good GM's would do.. Instead of killing your team with rookie Cb unit.. And counting on Bene who was injured most of the year before and not had much if any starting experience was Dumb as fug...

Side note.. 

If you lose the best part of secondary it's blown up.. Atlanta wasn't the same without Deion were they??

Dont worry buddy you can build you statue for Gman soon in Connecticut soon after he gets fired.. You can actually go up there and serve him at the compound as soon as he gets fired out of New York..

 

[Sub Zero]

28 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

“hey guys first step to rebuilding is you’ve got to spend all your cap space on contract extensions for guys that are already here until there’s nothing left to fill the massive holes everywhere else on this team, much like the limited time i spend making any effort to shut my mouth and open my ears is not enough to fill the massive void that is inside my skull”

1st step dumb ass is get yourself  a Franchise QB then build around that.... Which started 2011 not 2013..

[Icege]

Wow, where are the personal attacks coming from?

Especially when you're calling folks liars when you're the one living a lie

Disengaging from this. Other user has shown they are only interested in being belligerent in their beliefs. Not worth the while.

[Sub Zero]

2 hours ago, frash.exe said:

we weren’t 13-3 you putrid twat. we went 12-4 in 2013

i’m putting your dumb ass on ignore bc you clearly don’t get it. idk what i was thinking quoting someone unironically setting their avatar to a minion expecting them to be anything but an incoherent fool. spending hundreds of millions of dollars to lock up your core of guys that you brought in along the last regime isn’t a “rebuilding” phase no matter how many times you repeat to yourself that it is. 

Omg I won't hit my talking to idiots quota

for the day.. 

Nooooooo.....

[TheRed]

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Thelt said:

Another reason to give up on the NFL, diva wide receivers. 

NFL WRs aren't bigger divas today than in past glory days.   I think the reduction with the influx of the Andre Johnsons, the Calvin Johnsons, the Fitzgeralds is skewing people's memories.   

We simply had a small break.  They are just back. 

[fjblair]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

Let's be real here, the only folks that think this move is bad are casual fans, Gettleman haters, and ppl that prefer players over teams.

Remember the Cam-Smitty rumours? Won't be an issue with whomever Eli's heir ends up being. Their new QB will have Saquon to hand the ball off to behind Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, whoever gets signed to play RT, and either Halapio or Pulley. They'll have Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram,  and Corey Coleman to throw the ball to, so I imagine the Giants will sign a free agent or draft another WR.

Peppers, #25 pick from 2017, replaces Landon Collins as SS AND OBJ as a returner while being on a rookie contract compared to the deals the latter two now have. Now they have the #6 + #17 picks as well as another 3rd rounder.

OBJ and Landry were college buddies, and Cleveland made "win now" moves that also empowers their franchise QB. Their defense is looking gross.

It was a win-win.

What a load. Look around. Are NFL analysts and journalists casual fans and haters?

[Sgt Schultz]

I don’t know why, but I am always amused at how any discussion can turn into a Gettleman vs. Hurney debate.  I think I could start a thread entitled “Ginger or Mary Ann” and within the first page it would be a fight about Gettleman or Hurney.

The Giants weren’t going anywhere in 2019.  They just finally admitted it.  At one point this past year they were on the short list of worst teams in the league, and that was when they were trying to piece together one more run by Eli and the old guard.  They finished 5-11, and that is probably a perfect indicator of what they are, especially when it is not a “rising” 5-11.

They are rebuilding, and OBJ was in that awkward position of being the best player and a huge contract on a team that realistically couldn’t get anywhere until 2020 at the very earliest (and that was probably not realistic, either).  Having that level of receiver (never mind the baggage) with a QB on his way out the door and trying to find a new one is not a great commitment of cap space.  I think once the emotional response wears off, Giants fans will probably admit they realized OBJ’s time with the Giants was limited, anyway.  There was talk of jettisoning him last year. 

As for the Browns, they are a team on the rise and had a ton of cap space in a division of teams that are, to one degree or another, fading.  Even with OBJ, who costs them about $17M this year, they have $54M left to use.  The move makes perfect sense for them, too.

In short, the Giants are almost zeroing out their roster to start a rebuild, while the Browns are on the rise and the only team in their division that can remotely say that.  Sounds like both sides got what they wanted/needed out of the deal.

Now we resume our regularly schedule program about Gettleman vs. Hurney, already in progress.

[Sub Zero]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

1. Gross retired in 2014 with one year left on his contract. He wasn't cut. Bell being left-handed came from Rivera. Let's stop slinging everything we can here in an attempt to try and justify irrational disdain, because now there's false narratives being created.

2. That 2013 WR group was Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Pilares, King, and McNutt. The 2014 group was Kelvin Benjamin, Jericho Cotchery, Philly Brown, and Brenton Bersin. Ginn chased money to go out to Arizona, Pilares sucked, LaFell was never anything better than a decent #3/below average #2. Smitty was Smitty. But since we're throwing out rec2.ords, that 2015 15-1 WR group: KB (IR), Funchess, Cotchery, Ginn, Philly, Bersin, and Norwood. The 2015 SB WRs have a lot more in common with that 2014 group that 2013 was "blown up" for.

3. Why are you insisting on saying that one person blew something up when he literally made ONE move? You've stated this with WRs, which was just shown to be false. Now you're doing the same with DBs? Coleman was still with the team. Tre Boston was the FS, who was with the team in 2015, and went down with an injury. Tillman retired. Benwikere returned a shell of himself. The only "move" that was made was JNo. One player is not blowing up a position group, let's please quit that nonsense.

1. Believe your narrative.. Facts are Gross even threw a jab about those negotiation with Gettelmen in his retirement speech.. I guess everybody else who saw it caught it but you.. moving on. 

2. Again 2014 group had no body on the WR corp who had caught a pass from Cam.. Frame it how you want .. But Gman poor planning brought us into the season with Cam having no Chemistry with any WR on the roster.. Add in Byron and Nate at OT it was Malpractice plain and simple... 2015 group "Again" had atleast 4 players who had spent a year (live games, TC, and practices) with Cam.. The only contributor who was actually new was Funch .. And he was given time to build up chemistry before being counted on.. THAT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION...You went from 0 guys to 4 who had experience and chemistry with Cam.. Not to mention a better oline... Finally leading the league in TO and the short fields the defense provided the offense was incredible helpful...

3. Your whole CB group was a inexperienced Bene and 3 rookies .. Because Gman let his Hubris in the Norman negotiations leave him ass out and having to use the draft to fix his mistake.. It didn't work .. And a top 5 defense suffered most of the season due to this decision.. How he didn't know that losing both starting Cb was going to be a problem I don't know...

Again Gman was a solid GM but he wasn't god and he will be fired again in the next 2 years because his faults which showed here are evident in New York as well..

[Icege]

28 minutes ago, fjblair said:

What a load. Look around. Are NFL analysts and journalists casual fans and haters?

Is Dave Dameshek a man of integrity that gives the best uniforms of all time their deserved praise?