OBJ TRADED TO BROWNS

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Palmetto said:

Fire Coughlin but Keep Eli

Fire Ben McAdoo for benching Eli

Trade OBJ but keep Eli

Eli is on the team to please the fans while they keep making bad front office decisions

 

Mara can't quit Eli.

[Sub Zero]

1 hour ago, frash.exe said:

wtf does gettleman retaining scouts have to do with JR and hurney giving out tens of millions in signing bonuses like candy?

what does the delhomme contract in 2009 have to do with richardson overspending on his own players to prove a point that he wasn’t cheap after leading the charge of nfl ownership combating the NFLPA over the players’ share in 2011?

what does everybody “knowing we were going to turn a corner” have to do with being 15 mil over the cap after a season wherein the team started 1-5 for like the third year in a row?

get down from the grownups’ table and go sell your bullshit stories to someone who doesn’t know any better bc i’m not buying it.

A dumbass what are you arguing now??

Everybody knows who gave out the contracts 2010 and 2011 .. I've said that 3x now .

2. 2011 thru 2013 the team was building.. New coaching,  Franchise QB, defense getting new leaders and a Dpoy candidate, Identity found, =Win totals increased.. Nobody fault but yours that "you" couldn't see this team was trending up..

Either you're a moron or just handicapped.. 

1.The offense went from worst in history (2010) to top 5 (2011).. And stayed top 10 2012.. So I guess you thought that wasn't improvement??

2. The defense went from bottom 5 (2011) to ending the season top 12 in (2012) (with the rookie defensive player of the year).. Did you not notice this from your grown up table??

3. 2013 Defense with Luke playing a full season in the middle, Hardy becoming a Monster, Norman finally playing team defense, TD being healthy, CJ in his prime.. Became a top 5 defense..

Add

Cam coming into his own finishing games and taking care of the balk, Steve still having juice and Olsen coming in his prime .. 

All build to a 13-3 season.. 

Sorry you couldn't see this building from 2011..

Dude you can't afford a grownup table stfu..

[Icege]

Let's be real here, the only folks that think this move is bad are casual fans, Gettleman haters, and ppl that prefer players over teams.

Remember the Cam-Smitty rumours? Won't be an issue with whomever Eli's heir ends up being. Their new QB will have Saquon to hand the ball off to behind Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, whoever gets signed to play RT, and either Halapio or Pulley. They'll have Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram,  and Corey Coleman to throw the ball to, so I imagine the Giants will sign a free agent or draft another WR.

Peppers, #25 pick from 2017, replaces Landon Collins as SS AND OBJ as a returner while being on a rookie contract compared to the deals the latter two now have. Now they have the #6 + #17 picks as well as another 3rd rounder.

OBJ and Landry were college buddies, and Cleveland made "win now" moves that also empowers their franchise QB. Their defense is looking gross.

It was a win-win.

[thefuzz]

I see this as a win for both sides honestly.

Man, I wanted John Dorsey here bad after Andy had him fired....but we had the interim then, so I guess that wasn't possible.

[Icege]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

The Giants weren't winning poo this year...it's time to finally tear it all down and start over....something that we should have done for Cam when he was drafted.

 

Hurney is gutter trash, but he DID follow the same blueprint.

OL was projected to be Gross-Wharton-Kalil-???-Otah with RG being open between Garry Williams, Geoff Hangartner, Geoff Schwartz, and Byron Bell. Williams' ankle broke, Otah found the Doritos, and you know how the rest went.

Hurney then went out and signed Jeremy Shockey + Hartsock while trading for Olsen.

Deangelo was resigned (and his awful contract with it).

DA was brought in as a back-up/mentor.

Primary WRs were 89 and LaFell.

 

The defense... ugh... that was ugly for awhile.

[Sub Zero]

13 minutes ago, Icege said:

Let's be real here, the only folks that think this move is bad are casual fans, Gettleman haters, and ppl that prefer players over teams.

Remember the Cam-Smitty rumours? Won't be an issue with whomever Eli's heir ends up being. Their new QB will have Saquon to hand the ball off to behind Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, whoever gets signed to play RT, and either Halapio or Pulley. They'll have Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram,  and Corey Coleman to throw the ball to, so I imagine the Giants will sign a free agent or draft another WR.

Peppers, #25 pick from 2017, replaces Landon Collins as SS AND OBJ as a returner while being on a rookie contract compared to the deals the latter two now have. Now they have the #6 + #17 picks as well as another 3rd rounder.

OBJ and Landry were college buddies, and Cleveland made "win now" moves that also empowers their franchise QB. Their defense is looking gross.

It was a win-win.

Solid move for both teams .. Not good for Gettelmen..

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

Hurney is gutter trash, but he DID follow the same blueprint.

OL was projected to be Gross-Wharton-Kalil-???-Otah with RG being open between Garry Williams, Geoff Hangartner, Geoff Schwartz, and Byron Bell. Williams' ankle broke, Otah found the Doritos, and you know how the rest went.

Hurney then went out and signed Jeremy Shockey + Hartsock while trading for Olsen.

Deangelo was resigned (and his awful contract with it).

DA was brought in as a back-up/mentor.

Primary WRs were 89 and LaFell.

 

The defense... ugh... that was ugly for awhile.

It seemed like Hurney thought about doing it, but couldn't make himself fully do it.

 

[Icege]

Just now, thefuzz said:

It seemed like Hurney thought about doing it, but couldn't make himself fully do it.

 

Right? I mean... yea, our depth situation following the roster purge that preceded the lockout was soul crushing, but all of that cap space went into loyalty contracts rather than rebuilding.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Sub Zero said:

Solid move for both teams .. Not good for Gettelmen..

A GM'S job is to do the best possible thing for the team.

Now, it's very possibly that DG will get fired for these moves, but it's hard for me to argue that it was the best possible move for the Giants.

DG got fired from here for doing the best thing for the Panthers....not signing Olsen to that extension, which is biting us in the ass right now.  Was bad for him, but the right call for the Panthers.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

Right? I mean... yea, our depth situation following the roster purge that preceded the lockout was soul crushing, but all of that cap space went into loyalty contracts rather than rebuilding.

Yup.  And at the wrong positions.

 

[Sub Zero]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

A GM'S job is to do the best possible thing for the team.

Now, it's very possibly that DG will get fired for these moves, but it's hard for me to argue that it was the best possible move for the Giants.

DG got fired from here for doing the best thing for the Panthers....not signing Olsen to that extension, which is biting us in the ass right now.  Was bad for him, but the right call for the Panthers.

DG won't make it to do the full rebuild.. You can call it noble but if he was a better negotiator this might not be problem.. Atleast he got something this time.. When he got rid of Norman, Smitty, Gross we got nothing...

Also shitting on good players who you want to move on from doesn't make you always "doing what's best for the team..

I also love how Gman gets credit for cutting players without a plan to replace them or a viable option on the roster.. But he's a genius..

We still haven't been able to fix Thieves Ave. In 4 years and some of you still think he makes great moves..

Lol

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

DG won't make it to do the full rebuild.. You can call it noble but if he was a better negotiator this might not be problem.. Atleast he got something this time.. When he got rid of Norman, Smitty, Gross we got nothing...

Also shitting on good players who you want to move on from doesn't make you always "doing what's best for the team..

I also love how Gman gets credit for cutting players without a plan to replace them or a viable option on the roster.. But he's a genius..

We still haven't been able to fix Thieves Ave. In 4 years and some of you still think he makes great moves..

Lol

How could we have "gotten something" for any of those three players.  Nobody was going to pay Steve's salary that season.  Gross was retiring.  Norman didn't sign the tag so he could be traded.  All of that is fact, not ifs and maybes.

DG isn't Jesus.  And I'm not saying that he is.  What I'm trying to say is look past the names on the backs of the jerseys, and look forward a couple years rather than just chanting Super Bowl Super Bowl.

The Giants were going nowhere fast.  Seemingly the ownership wanted to keep Eli around for one last run.  That was a big mistake, and now it's time to clean up the mess.

Were I the GM last season, that's not the direction that I would have wanted to go, but the Mara's sign the paycheck....so the Mara's get their way.

[Icege]

7 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

DG won't make it to do the full rebuild.. You can call it noble but if he was a better negotiator this might not be problem.. Atleast he got something this time.. When he got rid of Norman, Smitty, Gross we got nothing...

Also shitting on good players who you want to move on from doesn't make you always "doing what's best for the team..

I also love how Gman gets credit for cutting players without a plan to replace them or a viable option on the roster.. But he's a genius..

We still haven't been able to fix Thieves Ave. In 4 years and some of you still think he makes great moves..

Lol

Gross retired.

After Smitty was released, KB was drafted and he balled out his rookie year and followed it up by drafting Funchess as insurance which then allowed us to trade KB away for a 3rd rd pick (AB got PIT a 3rd and a 5th).

Tillman retired and the plan was to keep JNo until JNo's cousin went off the wall during negotiations. Otherwise, it's highly likely that we're looking at Bradberry being drafted and sitting with JNo/Bradberry. The JNo decision was wrong, simple and plain, but he literally found his replacement in the draft. Worley on the other hand, ew... There was also the fact that Benwikere was expected to return after showing promise at the nickel, only to have not recovered well from injury.

[Sub Zero]

1. Put our franchise QB out there in 2014 with Byron Bell and Nate Chandler as starting OT and a backup from Canada.. Because you were ready to move on from Jordan Gross.. Geinus Move.. Byron was left handed..smh

2. After a a solid 13-3 years let's blow up the WR corp.. Smitty's a cancer, Lafell isn't worth bringing back, Ginn isn't worth 2mil.. No let's go into the 2014 season with a rookie at number1 WR and no WR's on the roster that has caught a pass from Cam ever.. Genius.. smh

3. 2016 Superbowl Secondary led the league in TO the year before.. Yeah let's blow that up.. Oh and let's do it after FA is done so we have to draft Our starting CB unit?? Genius.. A position group of rookies and garbage FA after having one of the best secondary the year before..smh lol

Yeah Gman always did what was best for the team...

Lol