Give Hurney some credit

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, t96 said:

Give Hurney some credit

OK, Paradis is a GREAT move and a GREAT deal for the team.

But not cutting Kalil and Smith?  Sorry, no credit. 

Considering the above, here's what rational people do.  Give him CREDIT for good moves and criticize him for bad ones.  You might want to try that sometime. 

[L-TownCat]

Nope.

[Peon Awesome]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Guaranteed or not, I can't in any way endorse giving five million to a guy who's realistically your sixth or seventh receiving option; especially not when you could have cut him and re-signed for less.

As to Reid, someone else pointed out that it's hard to compare his contract to the ones being signed now because those are going to the top guys on the market. The contracts that get signed by guys after the early feeding frenzy calms down will be the better comparison.

I do agree with not being involved in the early insanity, but let's be real. With our cap space, it's not like that was an option.

 

I think your point on Smith is misguided. We lose literally all the leverage if we decide to cut and resign him now. 

Think about it this way. Right now Smith is tied to our team. He has to go through training camp, master the playbook, etc. We can keep him through the end of preseason, mentoring our young wide receivers and as insurance policy for if anyone goes down. Then just prior to the season starting, we can then say "Listen, we love you as a mentor to our young guys but we're trying to get younger overall and can't afford to pay you like a starter on your current contract. We can cut you and free you up to try to catch onto a desperate team but have to move your home, learn a new playbook at the last second and pray you fit in and don't get cut again, or we can rip up this old contract and have you sign for $1.5 million (or whatever) with a bit of guarantees and keep this train going. Up to you."

If we really need the $5 million to sign a specific player, that's different. But if we're not using that money right now, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to tie Smith down and use that leverage for a better contract just before the season starts (or just straight cut him later if we decide we have zero use for him).

[SetfreexX]

Finally someone gets it.

[tiger7_88]

12 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

We lose literally all the leverage if we decide to cut and resign him now. 

[KillerKat]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

OK, Paradis is a GREAT move and a GREAT deal for the team.

But not cutting Kalil and Smith?  Sorry, no credit. 

Considering the above, here's what rational people do.  Give him CREDIT for good moves and criticize him for bad ones.  You might want to try that sometime. 

*Hurney does what a GM is supposed to do for once*

*Thread created "Lets give Hurney some credit"*

Some people are just so eager to try to prove those that don't like Hurney wrong despite the overwhelming evidence that says otherwise.

[pantherj]

Hurney 2.0 hasn't done anything to make me push the panic button like I did with Gettleman. We can get rid of Smith whenever because we're not locked down. Hurney is doing well with FA and the draft so far, although there is always room for criticism. He hasn't made the OMFG level mistakes yet, so we'll see how things progress as bigger decisions loom.

As for the Kalil situation Gettleman put Hurney in a bad situation, but the best move might be to hang on to Kalil for now and cut him later with less dead cap. It could also be the case that RR wants Kalil to remain on the team and Hurney is bowing to Ron's wishes. Unfortunately the Kalil saga is nowhere close to being over imo, and I think Kalil will be dumped in 2020.

[Basbear]

Signing a center with recent injury concerns will not get credit form me. It's a gamble that could end badly for the Panthers OR be a low-key bargain for 3 years. His last free agency was awful outside of wright, 100% dumpster bin. 

Out of all the safety contracts out there, Reids deal looks like the best one(could augre Joyner deal). Reid also doesn't compare to the elite either, he does compare to Varrco(id take reid).  Let's wait til tier 2/3 free agents sign to add clarity.

He does get credit for not being Herniay 1.0.  

[tiger7_88]

30 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I have posted this a million times now, but the dead cap will never get better. Kalil costs us an extra $7.25m if he’s on our roster this year. Cut him in 2020 and his dead cap number is unchanged. We would just have a $12.1m cap hit in 2019 instead of $4.9m. It really is that simple. We don’t avoid any cost by keeping him, we pay $7m more.

Gettleman signed a bad deal but Hurney is in a good position to save $7.25m by dumping him now. We reduced Kalil’s first two cap years a ton and that’s the dead cap. It’s funny the hang up people have on Kalil’s contract but Poe and Smith will cost us $3m more in 2 years than Kalil did in 2 years unless Hurney does the unthinkable and keeps him but then Hurney will have spend $35m on Poe, Smith and Kalil while Gettleman cost us $25m on Kalil. Both GMs have no excuse for either case. $60m wasted or hopefully just $53 if we dump Kalil. 

Others will OF COURSE continue to blame Gettleman, but if Kalil isn’t cut by Friday then IMO Hurney and Ron own him lock, stock, and barrel, for the EXACT reasons you have explained in multiple threads now.  

Was the signing of Baby Kalil bad business? For many reasons, and especially in retrospect, AB-SO-LUTELY.

If Marty and Ron decide that they want to spend MILLIONS in extra $$$ to keep that poo though, don’t be coming back to me about how bad Baby Kalil is and shitting on David Gettleman while sucking Marty and Ron off, hypocrites. 

[Peon Awesome]

47 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I have posted this a million times now, but the dead cap will never get better. Kalil costs us an extra $7.25m if he’s on our roster this year. Cut him in 2020 and his dead cap number is unchanged. We would just have a $12.1m cap hit in 2019 instead of $4.9m. It really is that simple. We don’t avoid any cost by keeping him, we pay $7m more.

Gettleman signed a bad deal but Hurney is in a good position to save $7.25m by dumping him now. We reduced Kalil’s first two cap years a ton and that’s the dead cap. It’s funny the hang up people have on Kalil’s contract but Poe and Smith will cost us $3m more in 2 years than Kalil did in 2 years unless Hurney does the unthinkable and keeps him but then Hurney will have spend $35m on Poe, Smith and Kalil while Gettleman cost us $25m on Kalil. Both GMs have no excuse for either case. $60m wasted or hopefully just $53 if we dump Kalil. 

I agree. Unless there is some unclear aspect of his contract that hasn't been reported, not cutting Kalil will be the first big truly indefensible decision in Hurney's second stint as gm.

[Snake]

I would say he is 2 for 3 but honestly Hurney has never been bad in FA when JR didn't have his fingers up his butt. The draft is where I will give props or not. Past Hurney down right has been bad at drafting out of the first round and even last year with Moore is a question. Ridley was more pro ready and it showed.

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

I would say he is 2 for 3 but honestly Hurney has never been bad in FA when JR didn't have his fingers up his butt. The draft is where I will give props or not. Past Hurney down right has been bad at drafting out of the first round and even last year with Moore is a question. Ridley was more pro ready and it showed.

Lol...had a good draft last year...

[Snake]

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

Lol...had a good draft last year...

Lol... Thinking a draft is good after a year. 

[heel31ok]

Just now, Snake said:

Lol... Thinking a draft is good after a year. 

It was good in that yr