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On 4/15/2019 at 6:12 PM, kungfoodude said:

The same was said of many deals before that. The better thing for the league is a precedent like that being set so that the players can demand that kind of structure. And for the crowd that is lauding this as a "non-Panthers" thing, I would be just fine getting Luke or Cam at that kind of a deal, as well. 

I could care less about this hurting the Seahawks, I would like to see the players actually get a bigger piece of this pie, especially since the NFL just keeps making more and more money. 

One player on the team getting a deal tied to a percentage of the salary cap doesn't get the players a bigger piece of the pie. It gets that single player a bigger piece of the pie at the expense of everyone else on the roster. It means there's less to go around for them since one guy is eating up a bigger chunk of the hard salary cap.

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

One player on the team getting a deal tied to a percentage of the salary cap doesn't get the players a bigger piece of the pie. It gets that single player a bigger piece of the pie at the expense of everyone else on the roster. It means there's less to go around for them since one guy is eating up a bigger chunk of the hard salary cap.

I've yet to see the formula of "pay one superstar a huge chunk of money then surround him with a bunch of cheap guys" produce any kind of consistent success.

The Lions did that for years with Barry Sanders - legitimately one of the greatest to ever play the game - yet it never produced much of anything other than some cool highlights.

People will be speculating forever on what Sanders could have done with an offensive line or complementary teammates like Emmitt Smith had in Dallas.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've yet to see the formula of "pay one superstar a huge chunk of money and surround him with a bunch of cheap guys" produce any kind of consistent success.

The Lions did that for years with Barry Sanders - legitimately one of the greatest to ever play the game - yet it never produced much of anything other than some cool highlights.

People will be speculating forever on what Sanders could have done with an offensive line or complementary teammates like Emmitt Smith had in Dallas.

Part of the reason that the Pats have been so successful is that they have an all-time great QB who they're able to pay like an average starter.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Final year of a backloaded contract. He's 17th among QBs in average per year.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargain-2018-7

Yeah, I am aware. Actual value was about $19.25/mil per year over the course of his four year deal. Not average starter value over that time period but certainly quite cheap in comparison to his level of play/accomplishments. He is a special case scenario though. The majority of the other elite QB's do not take those kind of pay cuts. 

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10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am aware. Actual value was about $19.25/mil per year over the course of his four year deal. Not average starter value over that time period but certainly quite cheap in comparison to his level of play/accomplishments. He is a special case scenario though. The majority of the other elite QB's do not take those kind of pay cuts. 

None of them have 6 SB rings either.

There comes a point where the money is just a way of keeping score. Brady has made over $200M in his career. I'd MUCH rather have $200M and 6 SB rings than $300M and none. Is there really any quality of life difference between having $200M and having $300M?

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

None of them have 6 SB rings either.

 There comes a point where the money is just a way of keeping score. Brady has made over $200M in his career. I'd MUCH rather have $200M and 6 SB rings than $300M and none. Is there really any quality of life difference between having $200M and having $300M?

Yeah but you are also using an example that is pretty much unheard of in any sport, including the NFL. Especially at QB.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

None of them have 6 SB rings either.

There comes a point where the money is just a way of keeping score. Brady has made over $200M in his career. I'd MUCH rather have $200M and 6 SB rings than $300M and none. Is there really any quality of life difference between having $200M and having $300M?

The number of quarterbacks who've won Super Bowls after receiving blockbuster contracts is probably lower than a lot of people think it is, quite possibly significantly lower.

Heck, if I recall correctly, there was a while there when no quarterback that had been paid a hundred million owned a ring.

The "lots of money but no rings" club has its fair share of members.

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21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The number of quarterbacks who've won Super Bowls after receiving blockbuster contracts is probably lower than a lot of people think it is, quite possibly significantly lower.

Heck, if I recall correctly, there was a while there when no quarterback that had been paid a hundred million owned a ring.

The "lots of money but no rings" club has its fair share of members.

The top six highest paid QBs had one thing in common last season. Not one of them was in the playoffs.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nfls-6-highest-paid-quarterbacks-miss-playoffs-2019-01-04

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