Benching Delhomme is NOT...

[HGG]

Kristin Davis???

Catfang, you've got as good a taste in women as I do.

[House]

I agree with Khyber, Davidson needs to go to the box. Whatever he is seeing on the field from field level is wrong. I think that this is a big reason we have been having a lot of trouble getting plays called in too late. I think Davidson is getting info from upstairs about the D's personnel changes in certain situations, usually 3rd downs and goalline, which is were we seem to have the most issues with late play calls.

Fox is a run first type of coach and I just cannot see him going to his O cordinator and saying "Hey, I want you to throw the poo out of the ball. If you don't I will find someone who will.". The man I see with the Denny's menu on the sideline calling plays is JD, not Fox.

Not that he isn't part of the problem but I don't think that he is actively pressuring his OC to pass so much.

[Nu Guns]

...enough, not by itself :nonod:

There are other steps that need to be taken to keep us from just being in the same boat with a different captain.

Here are the ones I'd suggest:

Replace Keydrick Vincent - My choice would be with Duke Robinson. Others would say Bernadeau but I think he needs to stay in the utility role. We have no push up the middle and too much pressure is coming from the inside. As good as he was last year, the injury was just too much. Is Robinson ready? Don't know, but Vincent is a liability. Thus, it's time to take the chance.

Elevate Kenny Moore - It may not be the best time to be pro-Moore right now (at least Kenny) but separate Moore the receiver from Moore the returner. It's time to move Moore to the number two and Moose to the number three role. Otherwise, teams can just continue to crowd the box and double Smith. What to do with Jarrett? Debatable, but I don't think he's the answer.

Use Goodson as a receiver/runningback - We talked early on about having a three man backfield, and it still hasn't happened. Neither has the use of Goodson as a receiver. Truthfully, I'm more interested in his receiving than his running, but I think we need that third man too (all predicated, of course, on his fixing the ball security issues).

Fix the fullback spot - This is one of the areas where I'm hedging a bit, but I don't think Hoover can do what he used to an a consistent basis. Problem is I'm also not sure Fiammetta's ready for full duty either (similar quandary with Vincent/Robinson). If you put a gun to my head though, I'd bet that Fiammetta will improve before I'd believe that Hoover will recapture his youth.

Involve the tight ends more - There's some progress in this regard. It needs to continue. This has more to do with something else I'll say later.

Find a return man - Most likely option here is to give Dexter Jackson a try. Not sure he'll be the answer, but I am sure that at least in this spot, Kenny Moore isn't. Munnerlyn is competent, but not a threat. At this point, we need a threat. Hard to come by this far into the season, of course. Thus, we may have to hope Jackson can do it.

And last, what may be the most controversial point, and the toughest...

Fix the playcalling - Specifically, if John Fox is having a say in it, get him out of it. If, on the other hand, it's all Davidson, then take it away from him. Give those duties to Jim Skipper, or even to Rip Scherer, but remove them from Davidson IF he is the guy truly responsible right now (and that's likely something we can't know for certain from here).

These are my suggestions, for what they're worth.

I agree with all of it !!

Great post

:thumbsup:

[Davidson Deac II]

IMO, criticising playcalling is something fans do when the team is not executing. Playcalling was not the issue yesterday. The plays they called were fine. Execution, or lackthereof was the problem. We went with short passes and runs. The defenders were putting 8 in the box. When they do that, you have to throw the ball some.

[CRA]

IMO, criticising playcalling is something fans do when the team is not executing. Playcalling was not the issue yesterday. The plays they called were fine. Execution, or lackthereof was the problem. We went with short passes and runs. The defenders were putting 8 in the box. When they do that, you have to throw the ball some.

playcalling was good yesterday....only complaint was the 3rd and 7 play call followed by going for it on 4th and 1. The call on 3rd and 7 in that situation was horrible. They needed that 1st down....you gotta be able to try to pick that up.....you stuck w/ Jake and it impact what you were willing to do.

[frash.exe]

Scot about Vincent yea it does look like he's lost a step, which is a shame because he did a good job in the interior last year until he got hurt.

it may be time to usher in the Duke Robinson era

[Mr. Scot]

IMO, criticising playcalling is something fans do when the team is not executing. Playcalling was not the issue yesterday. The plays they called were fine. Execution, or lackthereof was the problem. We went with short passes and runs. The defenders were putting 8 in the box. When they do that, you have to throw the ball some.

The execution was bad, but the playcalling was too.

One of the things you have to do as part of the playcalling process is adjust when you know a particular player is not doing well. Can anyone honestly suggest that they adjusted around Delhomme's struggles?

[Nu Guns]

This all comes back around to Fox.

Fox and Jake is the real double trouble of this team

[Kevin Greene]

How Danny Crossman still has a job is beyond me.

Involve the tight end more, fix the fullback spot, fix the playcalling.

Fox just isn't going to do this stuff by next week, probably not by week 16.

Maybe, just maybe he'll sit Jake at some point soon, but I doubt it.

A QB who goes through his progression is bound to involve the tight ends and God willing the RBs on check downs more. A more mobile QB who can move around a bit in the pocket will no doubt help the pass blocking as well. Execute the plays called more effectively and play calling will look better, I prefer not to go the Dan Snyder method of "fixing things".

[Lt Pinkerton]

The execution was bad, but the playcalling was too.

One of the things you have to do as part of the playcalling process is adjust when you know a particular player is not doing well. Can anyone honestly suggest that they adjusted around Delhomme's struggles?

I thought the playcalling was very good, especially considering the QB. If Jake makes those two throws then we have a huge offensive day.

[uncpanther]

Jake is 90% of the problem right now. You can't just run the ball every single play and expect it to work. You have to mix it up and that means throwing the ball. We were successful running the ball until they started stacking the box and covering the flat (which is where most of Jake's passes were in the 1st half), then it is up to the QB to find the open receivers down field because you have man to man coverage.

We were very good last year (and previous years) at throwing the deep ball off of play action but now Jake can't throw an accurate pass past 15-20 yards consistantly. This shortens the field for the defense and they can stack the box and cover Jake's only accurate area of play.

We are completely 1 dimensional right now and if you think this week was bad wait till next week. (If Jake starts)

I think Moore should start and see if he can rally the team, right now Fox is losing the team and fan base with his loyalty to someone who is obviously done.

[weyco2000]

2 of his ints led to 14 Bills points, if he doesnt throw those, we win. He has lost this team, the fans and the coaches (finally!). Should have replaced him during the bye week, Jake needs to keep SOME dignity. Another HC would have sat him already, lets face it the guy hasnt looked very good. This offense has suffered due to poor QB play all year and the play-calling has sucked as well. However, is Davidson telling him to throw these wounded ducks? As much as I hated to admit it, its Jake.

[Demerize]

The execution was bad, but the playcalling was too.

One of the things you have to do as part of the playcalling process is adjust when you know a particular player is not doing well. Can anyone honestly suggest that they adjusted around Delhomme's struggles?

Thank you! Couldn't have said it better.:smash:

[Debil]

This isn't the first time you've posted something like this so ...

Scot, there is always more than one issue with a team. Delhomme being taken out of the game is a major step in the right direction. That's why you see so many people desperate for some kind of change. Whether or not that's positive will remain to be seen. The rest of what you post isn't truly valid until we see what the team chemistry is like with a new key ingredient lining up in the huddle.

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