Shots Fired - #gettlemagic

[mc52beast]

23 hours ago, stbugs said:

Lol then why couldn’t Hurney make the playoffs? Did you see Hurney’s 2008 to 2012 drafts when he didn’t have a top 10 pick? Those drafts were awful. I don’t give him any credit for building a shitty team that got the #1 overall pick. Wow, hard pick to take the top QB when the one you spent a 2nd rounder on sucked so badly.

Also, 80% of the OL was Gettleman. I believe the starting WRs were too. The DL was almost all Gettleman and the secondary was also 75% Gettleman. Most of the depth was as well.

2015 was Gettleman’s 3rd year. I don’t like a lot of the move’s that Gettleman made but 4 of the 5 teams he ran the draft and FAs for made the playoffs. Marty’s been back for one year of draft and FA and we’re back to missing the playoffs. I pray that he doesn’t have a bad offseason or else he may just end our run. 

Pretty sure we missed the playoffs last season because Cam lost his arm. With a healthy Cam we make the playoffs no problem.

[Toomers]

31 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

First off you started the hypothetical when stating we may not have made it to the super bowl with smith on the roster. Lol it was not 2m for the avants, Jerichos etc, how much dead money did we take on from releasing smith 

you’re back pedaling, it has been well over a deacade since smith has been involved in a physical altercation with a teammate, like you suggested he would against cam and than call me out for an hypothetical.....poetic 

No. I responded to the comment “we probably win the SB with Smitty”

 Didn’t look it up went with avg guesses. 

June 2008 is not a decade from 2014. Ask Ken Lucas. Being a decade from now means nothing. Would you to dispute that date and fight? Or does that not count. How many times would it have taken for you to believe he would ever do anything wrong. Are you going to just sent all the reported blowups and confrontations he had? That truly poetic. 

  Smith is crazy. It’s not a secret. But it’s hard to see flaws in loved ones.

[Seoul Train]

Gettleman looking at SS like, "you only got 30 million and a hot wife?" I love me some 89 but he talked too much out of his bunghole here. Talking about a mans career as a "professional" as if his career as a "player" is on the same level.

 

[MasterAwesome]

11 hours ago, Icege said:

I think that this lacks perspective of what the climate around the team was like.

• The season Shaq Thompson was drafted the team went 15-1, so I'm not so sure how huge needs were ignored when the team went to the Super Bowl despite losing their #1 WR that they just replaced their former #1 WR with.
• KB was a success that was never the same after his injury. I don't put that as a failure on the ols GM the same as I don't put it on the current GM when their picks get hurt and never recover.
• Butler was drafted the following year in case KK walked in free agency after negotiations stalled in the offseason following the SB (KK wouldn't sign until 8/2017, months after Bustler was drafted as insurance). The team had just gone 15-1 and was returning most of the same players from that squad while having not retained Kawann Short past the 2016 season.
• Funchess was insurance in case KB was lost, and that was exactly what happened the same season that he was drafted: KB tore his ACL and was nothing like what he was. We were able to trade KB to get the #85 pick (Rashaan Gaulden) and #234 (Andre Smith). Know how much it cost to move up to get Funchess? The #89 and #201 picks. He made us back what we spent by allowing us to offload the shell of KB.
• Also drafted Kawann Short, Star Lotulelei, and traded for Jared Allen in regards to DL investment. Plus finding Wes Horton as a UDFA and decent rotational piece. Ealy did put on a Super Bowl MVP performance that was only not recognized because of everything that was the fugery that was that game.

These weren't "luxury" picks that were ignoring huge needs. 2016 was supposed to be the return to the SB, but then Michael Oher never recovered from a concussion which resulted in Mike Remmers at LT (with DWill finally getting the consistent start to RT); the wheels fell off JStew and we ended up starting Daryl Worley after the shitshow that was the JNo franchise tag event.

Short had one poor season last year but was still named to a Pro Bowl (which is apparently a huge reason folks are screaming about not picking at #9, but that's for the other thread). Short has still been one of the best pass rushing DTs in the league, and he balled out after signing the contract despite the talks of "He'll get lazy." Turner and Norwell have been nearly equal in production, only Trai came at the cost of $45M/4yrs while Norwell is $66.5M/5yrs. I am a huge fan of Star and Norwell, but I'm looking at the numbers and we got similar production with less pay (ie: Poe's $28M/3yr vs. Star's $50M/5yr).
 

I appreciate the thoughtful, logical dive into the context of each pick...but I’ve been told by @Mr. Scot that you only judge a decision on whether or not it ultimately worked out...not on the circumstances behind whether it made sense at the time. Therefore these are all examples of terrible decision-making on Gettleman’s part....or something......

Did I get that right, Scot? Just wanted to double check. That’s a pretty damning list of Gettleman failures if so, which I’m assuming you’d agree with.

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

No. I responded to the comment “we probably win the SB with Smitty”

 Didn’t look it up went with avg guesses. 

June 2008 is not a decade from 2014. Ask Ken Lucas. Being a decade from now means nothing. Would you to dispute that date and fight? Or does that not count. How many times would it have taken for you to believe he would ever do anything wrong. Are you going to just sent all the reported blowups and confrontations he had? That truly poetic. 

  Smith is crazy. It’s not a secret. But it’s hard to see flaws in loved ones.

Which could be argued either way, there’s no clear cut evidence to say we’d won the Super Bowl in 2015 with smith, so speaking on that is an hypothetical in itself. Suggesting smith would have attacked cam is just dishonest based off an incident in 2008. Yet another hypothetical 

[Toomers]

10 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Which could be argued either way, there’s no clear cut evidence to say we’d won the Super Bowl in 2015 with smith, so speaking on that is an hypothetical in itself. Suggesting smith would have attacked cam is just dishonest based off an incident in 2008. Yet another hypothetical 

STEVE SMITH VS. HIS TEAMMATES

Let’s get this out of the way first: Steve Smith beat the crap out of three of his teammates. In 2002 he got in a fight with fellow receiver Guilian Gary. Later that same year, he broke the nose of another receiver, Anthony Bright, during a film session. He was charged with assault for that altercation. Five years later, he again broke a teammate’s nose; this time it was cornerback Ken Lucas.

The account of the Bright fight is pretty horrifying, with reports suggesting that Smith became enraged with Bright after the practice squad player asked for a play to be shown again, and then jumped him after the lights were turned out during a film session (“all hell broke loose”). Bright wound up suing Smith in 2004, claiming that the fight ruined his NFL career.

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 Were we supposed to forget about these? It’s called a pattern. He hadn’t done anything in six years then beat up Lucas. 

 My hypothetical has a lot more to back it up that yours acting like he would make a 15-1 team with a #1 offense better. 

  In this thread alone many have witnessed how unbalanced he can be. But only your hypothetical is valid. Typical. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

STEVE SMITH VS. HIS TEAMMATES

Let’s get this out of the way first: Steve Smith beat the crap out of three of his teammates. In 2002 he got in a fight with fellow receiver Guilian Gary. Later that same year, he broke the nose of another receiver, Anthony Bright, during a film session. He was charged with assault for that altercation. Five years later, he again broke a teammate’s nose; this time it was cornerback Ken Lucas.

The account of the Bright fight is pretty horrifying, with reports suggesting that Smith became enraged with Bright after the practice squad player asked for a play to be shown again, and then jumped him after the lights were turned out during a film session (“all hell broke loose”). Bright wound up suing Smith in 2004, claiming that the fight ruined his NFL career.

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 Were we supposed to forget about these? It’s called a pattern. He hadn’t done anything in six years then beat up Lucas. 

 My hypothetical has a lot more to back it up that yours acting like he would make a 15-1 team with a #1 offense better. 

  In this thread alone many have witnessed how unbalanced he can be. But only your hypothetical is valid. Typical. 

So from 2008 to his retirement no incidents, but early on a couple incidents years apart, that’s not a pattern to show enough he’d attack our qb sorry that’s a stretch, talking fantastic 4 mr elastic stretch. 

Didn’t say mines was it’s jusr like yours, a hypothetical that can’t be proved. We went 15-1 a full year after his departure, and was 12-4 with him on the roster, those are facts, we went 7-8-1 the season he was released, and 6-10 his final year in the nfl. Besides 2015, there’s not much evidence to show we were a better team without 89

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

So from 2008 to his retirement no incidents, but early on a couple incidents years apart, that’s not a pattern to show enough he’d attack our qb sorry that’s a stretch, talking fantastic 4 mr elastic stretch. 

Didn’t say mines was it’s jusr like yours, a hypothetical that can’t be proved. We went 15-1 a full year after his departure, and was 12-4 with him on the roster, those are facts, we went 7-8-1 the season he was released, and 6-10 his final year in the nfl. Besides 2015, there’s not much evidence to show we were a better team without 89

What’s a stretch? It was 6 years from the first fights until Lucas. The same 6 years between 2008 and 2014. He’s berated Cam, Clausen. many others. I could sell that in court much less a hypothetical.

 We were also 7-9,6-10, 2-14.his previous three years.If you want to go forward 3 years, let’s go back to teams he was a part of. Without 2013, his least productive in years, he doesn’t see the playoffs his last 5 years here. And that team won with DEF. Sure wasn’t #1 offense was it. He wasn’t ever part of the best team in the NFL, but he was part of the worst team in the NFL. And a historically bad offense. 

[Icege]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

First off you started the hypothetical when stating we may not have made it to the super bowl with smith on the roster. Lol it was not 2m for the avants, Jerichos etc, how much dead money did we take on from releasing smith 

you’re back pedaling, it has been well over a deacade since smith has been involved in a physical altercation with a teammate, like you suggested he would against cam and than call me out for an hypothetical.....poetic 

Unverified but: https://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/139807-unverified-report-gettleman-cut-steve-smith-because-in-2013-he-punched-cam-newton-in-the-face-twice-in-the-locker-room-after-practice/

[heel31ok]

57 minutes ago, Toomers said:

STEVE SMITH VS. HIS TEAMMATES

Let’s get this out of the way first: Steve Smith beat the crap out of three of his teammates. In 2002 he got in a fight with fellow receiver Guilian Gary. Later that same year, he broke the nose of another receiver, Anthony Bright, during a film session. He was charged with assault for that altercation. Five years later, he again broke a teammate’s nose; this time it was cornerback Ken Lucas.

The account of the Bright fight is pretty horrifying, with reports suggesting that Smith became enraged with Bright after the practice squad player asked for a play to be shown again, and then jumped him after the lights were turned out during a film session (“all hell broke loose”). Bright wound up suing Smith in 2004, claiming that the fight ruined his NFL career.

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 Were we supposed to forget about these? It’s called a pattern. He hadn’t done anything in six years then beat up Lucas. 

 My hypothetical has a lot more to back it up that yours acting like he would make a 15-1 team with a #1 offense better. 

  In this thread alone many have witnessed how unbalanced he can be. But only your hypothetical is valid. Typical. 

stock pick and lottery numbers please...

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

stock pick and lottery numbers please...

Typical. Uninformed. No substance. 

I left those picks and numbers on your Moms nightstand. When you come up from the basement, grab them for me.

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

Typical. Uninformed. No substance. 

I left those picks and numbers on your Moms nightstand. When you come up from the basement, grab them for me.

Thanks Richard...

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

Typical. Uninformed. No substance. 

I left those picks and numbers on your Moms nightstand. When you come up from the basement, grab them for me.

Lol...more nothing from you richard...

[Cpt slay a ho]

58 minutes ago, Toomers said:

What’s a stretch? It was 6 years from the first fights until Lucas. The same 6 years between 2008 and 2014. He’s berated Cam, Clausen. many others. I could sell that in court much less a hypothetical.

 We were also 7-9,6-10, 2-14.his previous three years.If you want to go forward 3 years, let’s go back to teams he was a part of. Without 2013, his least productive in years, he doesn’t see the playoffs his last 5 years here. And that team won with DEF. Sure wasn’t #1 offense was it. He wasn’t ever part of the best team in the NFL, but he was part of the worst team in the NFL. And a historically bad offense. 

What kind of logic is this? Why would we go back 3 years when there was a different gm and qb in place.....please explain the logic behind that. Berated is a whole different animal than suggesting he would pull something similar to Ken Lucas on cam. You’re not making sense, you’re,  wasn’t ever part of the best team nfl, we’ve never been the best team in the nfl.....have you forgot no rings.....