Shots Fired - #gettlemagic

[Toomers]

On 3/8/2019 at 8:38 PM, Cpt slay a ho said:

Lt isn’t context, Could he have replaced Jericho, Avant, Philly brown etc. he had a better year than our WR damn near every year off the team. 

Trying to figure out how hurney finds his way into a discussion about dg releasing smith and the manor he did it.....you and bringing up hurney in irrelevant arguments is some kind of niche of yours. Again what exactly does the 3 years before the gm that released him got hired have to do with this discussion, enlighten me please...

I haven’t debated whether smith was a saint or not, but to release smith because of his character and keep hardy on the team is quite the dilemma, doing so like you suggested because it’s based off an event that occurred 5 years ago is also a little off base. He continue on another team for 3 more years without any problems....

  Where is the post of mine that caused this BS statement. Quit dancing around it. You tried bringing bias into this. And only one of us has displayed an emotional connection to a player. All your dancing around this which I asked for an explanation. What prompted this statement? 

 It sure explains many of the positions you take. Someone cut your luvee didn’t he. 

 And people I disagree don’t like facts and reality. Or have agendas because of a player or GM and lie to forward the narrative. Like you. Making up a hypothetical and wanting it accepted as fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Toomers]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Ok let’s dumb this down, you first off specifically ask why not use the last 3 years and I stated why, I asked you why are we using the 3 years before dg got hired and you reply because if Smith production, which was outstanding 2 of the previous 3 years from 2013....so again sit down. You get called out it seems in every other thread posted on here, try again. 

So far you’ve stated smith had been released because his pattered behavior that could have led to him attacking our qb, which is ridiculous, production, and cost....in which all 3 I’ve proven you have no idea what you are talking about but reaching like a short person to turn off a ceiling fan. 

 

We saved 3 mil or so while taking on 5 mil dead money, his production still had him as a top 15-25 WR in the leauge, and he didn’t punch Flacco or any other teammates while with the ravens like you predicted that would happen here 

Yet once again you choose not to show any post where I brought up GMs or Hurney for the purpose of bringing him into the discussion. Just answer what I posted again above. Liked I’ve asked repeatedly. 

 His play declined, his volatility is legendary and there are numerous reports of disputes with Cam. How many others have commented on it ITT. So what have you proven. Your fantasy is just that....a fantasy. 

 And he didn’t help the Ravens win a Super Bowl either. Which, by your thinking, means he wouldn’t have helped us either. That’s the same right? 

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Where is the post of mine that caused this BS statement. Quit dancing around it. You tried bringing bias into this. And only one of us has displayed an emotional connection to a player. All your dancing around this which I asked for an explanation. What prompted this statement? 

 It sure explains many of the positions you take. Someone cut your luvee didn’t he. 

 And people I disagree don’t like facts and reality. Or have agendas because of a player or GM and lie to forward the narrative. Like you. Making up a hypothetical and wanting it accepted as fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You brought up the past 3 seasons from 2013, a whole new regime was in place those seasons, I don’t see how those seasons are relavant or play a factor into why smith was released in 2014. If dg was using any part of smiths 2010 play as a factor to why he should be cut than that was a dumb move already. We were talking strictly about dg releasing Smith, brining yo the past 3 years is bringing guys like hurney, John Fox, and clauses into the argument which they are not relavant to, and I’ve stated this over 5 times now.

what emotional attachment lol, it was a bad move that I’ve voice my opinion on and over on from, ultimately that same kind of attitude and business manner is the same reason he may have got him fired in the first place. 

You haven’t  pulled up any fact to prove your point besides two altercations smith had in 2002 and 2008.....no articles on him berating cam or clausen, or that the 3 million in savings was directly used to sign Coleman and oher, which it wasn’t, maybe one but not both, no facts to prove he’d potential attack cam.....meanwhile I bust out them stats real quick to disprove the production excuse, 3 mil in savings was not worth the production out of guys like avant, Jericho, ect, and he didn’t have any mixups with teammates ect while play his final 3 seasons with the ravens....those are facts 

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Yet once again you choose not to show any post where I brought up GMs or Hurney for the purpose of bringing him into the discussion. Just answer what I posted again above. Liked I’ve asked repeatedly. 

 His play declined, his volatility is legendary and there are numerous reports of disputes with Cam. How many others have commented on it ITT. So what have you proven. Your fantasy is just that....a fantasy. 

 And he didn’t help the Ravens win a Super Bowl either. Which, by your thinking, means he wouldn’t have helped us either. That’s the same right? 

I’ve already posted the quote, you directly asked me why not used the previous 3 seasons from 2013, an I’ve answer this now 6 times, different gm,coach, and qb.

I’ve already proved his play didn’t decline, besides the year he got hurt he eclipsed the 2013 stats in 2014 and 2016, another fact

 

Now we’re venturing into “I don’t know anything about football” territory,  what logic did you come up with this, our roster is vastly different from the ravens, while a WR who didn’t sucked would have greatly help us in 2014 and 2015, the ravens have a qb who isn’t on the same level as cam, run a 3-4, play in the afc,etc to say because he didn’t help the ravens he wouldn’t have helped us is the definition of madden logic 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You brought up the past 3 seasons from 2013, a whole new regime was in place those seasons, I don’t see how those seasons are relavant or play a factor into why smith was released in 2014. If dg was using any part of smiths 2010 play as a factor to why he should be cut than that was a dumb move already. We were talking strictly about dg releasing Smith, brining yo the past 3 years is bringing guys like hurney, John Fox, and clauses into the argument which they are not relavant to, and I’ve stated this over 5 times now.

what emotional attachment lol, it was a bad move that I’ve voice my opinion on and over on from, ultimately that same kind of attitude and business manner is the same reason he may have got him fired in the first place. 

You haven’t  pulled up any fact to prove your point besides two altercations smith had in 2002 and 2008.....no articles on him berating cam or clausen, or that the 3 million in savings was directly used to sign Coleman and oher, which it wasn’t, maybe one but not both, no facts to prove he’d potential attack cam.....meanwhile I bust out them stats real quick to disprove the production excuse, 3 mil in savings was not worth the production out of guys like avant, Jericho, ect, and he didn’t have any mixups with teammates ect while play his final 3 seasons with the ravens....those are facts 

 

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You brought up the past 3 seasons from 2013, a whole new regime was in place those seasons, I don’t see how those seasons are relavant or play a factor into why smith was released in 2014. If dg was using any part of smiths 2010 play as a factor to why he should be cut than that was a dumb move already. We were talking strictly about dg releasing Smith, brining yo the past 3 years is bringing guys like hurney, John Fox, and clauses into the argument which they are not relavant to, and I’ve stated this over 5 times now.

what emotional attachment lol, it was a bad move that I’ve voice my opinion on and over on from, ultimately that same kind of attitude and business manner is the same reason he may have got him fired in the first place. 

You haven’t  pulled up any fact to prove your point besides two altercations smith had in 2002 and 2008.....no articles on him berating cam or clausen, or that the 3 million in savings was directly used to sign Coleman and oher, which it wasn’t, maybe one but not both, no facts to prove he’d potential attack cam.....meanwhile I bust out them stats real quick to disprove the production excuse, 3 mil in savings was not worth the production out of guys like avant, Jericho, ect, and he didn’t have any mixups with teammates ect while play his final 3 seasons with the ravens....those are facts 

Don’t really care about any of this. As we’ve both shown. Neither hypothetical can be proven. Now instead of skipping over the real question again, show me where I said one thing to warrant the statement I just reposted again. You have no problem bringing up any of myi other posts. So show me or be the hypocrite your statements say you are. Where is the proof? 

And after all these pages of acting like SS hadn’t done anything in a decade(proven wrong) wasn’t berating people(numerous reports from even people on here) if you want to act like his cut isn’t personal to you....well you have proven hypocrisy already so pile on. 

 And you haven’t proven one thing that could possibly prove that we win the SB with SS. See how hypotheticals work. I know my scenario is. You seem to think you’re fantasy is fact. It’s just your theory. And I’ve got mine. No difference. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I’ve already posted the quote, you directly asked me why not used the previous 3 seasons from 2013, an I’ve answer this now 6 times, different gm,coach, and qb.

I’ve already proved his play didn’t decline, besides the year he got hurt he eclipsed the 2013 stats in 2014 and 2016, another fact

 

Now we’re venturing into “I don’t know anything about football” territory,  what logic did you come up with this, our roster is vastly different from the ravens, while a WR who didn’t sucked would have greatly help us in 2014 and 2015, the ravens have a qb who isn’t on the same level as cam, run a 3-4, play in the afc,etc to say because he didn’t help the ravens he wouldn’t have helped us is the definition of madden logic 

Then where is it. Should be simple if you posted it already. Show where I inserted Hurney in this. You keep dancing around it but won’t(and can’t) show it. 

 Or live with the hypocrite in the mirror. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

18 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 

Don’t really care about any of this. As we’ve both shown. Neither hypothetical can be proven. Now instead of skipping over the real question again, show me where I said one thing to warrant the statement I just reposted again. You have no problem bringing up any of myi other posts. So show me or be the hypocrite your statements say you are. Where is the proof? 

And after all these pages of acting like SS hadn’t done anything in a decade(proven wrong) wasn’t berating people(numerous reports from even people on here) if you want to act like his cut isn’t personal to you....well you have proven hypocrisy already so pile on. 

 And you haven’t proven one thing that could possibly prove that we win the SB with SS. See how hypotheticals work. I know my scenario is. You seem to think you’re fantasy is fact. It’s just your theory. And I’ve got mine. No difference. 

I’ve already quoted last page not doing it again you’re being lazy and not reading post fully otherwise you wouldn’t have skipped over it, I already said it’s a hypothetical, you were the person who originally stated we’d probably not make the super bowl with smith on the team, so I pushed back saying that’s not true. So you stated a hypothetical that couldn’t be proven and I called you out on it point blank period. I don’t think anything I’m saying is facts besides stats and cap savings, you’re the one who doubled down on you original statement, which was a hypothetical to begin with 

[Cpt slay a ho]

On 3/8/2019 at 10:26 AM, Toomers said:

He drafted a WR who had just as good a season as SS did in Baltimore. Then he got hurt. 

  Then had the #1 offense and an MVP season without him. 

 Had we had SS, we may not have had a winning record. 

This is the statement I called out, nothing to prove that we may not have a winning season seeing as we just came off a winning season before he was released. Pure hypothetical on your part

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I’ve already quoted last page not doing it again you’re being lazy and not reading post fully otherwise you wouldn’t have skipped over it, I already said it’s a hypothetical, you were the person who originally stated we’d probably not make the super bowl with smith on the team, so I pushed back saying that’s not true. So you stated a hypothetical that couldn’t be proven and I called you out on it point blank period. I don’t think anything I’m saying is facts besides stats and cap savings, you’re the one who doubled down on you original statement, which was a hypothetical to begin with 

That’s a lie. Where is it on the last page. Not one word. You haven’t shown anything that would warrant your statement. 

   Just as I showed his instability could have sent the team in any direction. Just as much as you proved yours. So who cares. I just want this one thing answered. Because this is your go to with me every time. 

4 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

This is the statement I called out, nothing to prove that we may not have a winning season seeing as we just came off a winning season before he was released. Pure hypothetical on your part

Where in that is Hurney mentioned in any form. Strike one.

  Defend your statement. Don’t care about SS and stuff that’s all opinion. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

On 3/8/2019 at 2:48 PM, Toomers said:

What’s a stretch? It was 6 years from the first fights until Lucas. The same 6 years between 2008 and 2014. He’s berated Cam, Clausen. many others. I could sell that in court much less a hypothetical.

 We were also 7-9,6-10, 2-14.his previous three years.If you want to go forward 3 years, let’s go back to teams he was a part of. Without 2013, his least productive in years, he doesn’t see the playoffs his last 5 years here. And that team won with DEF. Sure wasn’t #1 offense was it. He wasn’t ever part of the best team in the NFL, but he was part of the worst team in the NFL. And a historically bad offense. 

This is where it starts, we(panthers) we’re never the best team in the nfl, and are we hiding a WR off of playoff appearances or stats, because I loved to hear why they should be judged off of playoff appearances 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

This is where it starts, we(panthers) we’re never the best team in the nfl, and are we hiding a WR off of playoff appearances or stats, because I loved to hear why they should be judged off of playoff appearances 

Strike two. Nothing in there about Hurney. You are really struggling to find stuff you made up. Choke up on this one.

[Cpt slay a ho]

On 3/8/2019 at 8:23 PM, Toomers said:

In a season he got hurt. Was two years older than his slightly above average last season with us. He was also responsible for a ton of OPIs that year. 

 Did he help when he was here? Of course. But would he have helped while subtracting players from a SB team with a #1 offense. How much could he help? Can he play LT. If you wanna dream...do it with context. 

Mans just give me a list of what to ignore about SS and what I should acknowledge. Does 2013 count because he got cut by DG. Do Hurney years count but not 3 years back. Or when can I start. I keep losing track of what I’m allowed to point out. 

You and I have debated Smiths character for pages because it is relevant to why he got cut. You think it’s ridiculous to believe he could have done something he’s done numerous times before. I don’t.

Again the post of you bringing up hurney, than there’s a post before this of you being coy by saying why don’t we use the previous 3 years don’t both gms suck? 

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Strike two. Nothing in there about Hurney. You are really struggling to find stuff you made up. Choke up on this one.

Strike nothing eat that crow or get them legs ready for the back pedaling 

[Cpt slay a ho]

On 3/8/2019 at 6:17 PM, Toomers said:

Ok. Go back 2. Cams first two years were losing seasons. With the same GM he’s has almost the entire career. Why’s a different GM matter? Don’t they both suck? 

 It had just as good a chance as him helping us win the SB. At least what I said has happened multiple times. Yours has/and can’t happen. 

 He’s never been a SB winner. Exactly. Never the best.

Part of the worst and awful(2010) 

start a poll...ask the board. Ask if SS got in trouble tomorrow for any sort of violent act, would you be surprised? 

Now explain to the people at home why hurney was relavant to this argument, because you brought him up 

boom goes the dynamite 

sole purposed of the argument was proving we’d not win nor lose a Super Bowl with smith on the team, you found it apon yourself to bring up 3 season prior to 2013 with smith , which have nothing to do with the team success AFTER Smith, which is the whole

point of the argument. Check mate