Report: Contract talks between Panthers, Daryl Williams stall

[Saca312]

I'll say it here and continue to say so, because at this point it'll probably take Daryl Williams being exposed as the mediocre at best RT he is before y'all believe maybe paying him top 5 RT money doesn't justify his production level at all.

Daryl. Williams. Is. Not. That. Good.

Watch the film without your homer glasses on or believing what PFF and the All-Pro media hacks tell you. Watch his 1v1 reps and tell me how that's an All-Pro tackle. Because I did and I assure you nothing reassures me about him and all I'm sitting here doing is getting confused how he hoodwinked the NFL into thinking he is an all-pro.

I'll end it there and await for this year to play out. I pray the Panthers won't be the one to overpay him.

 

[Saca312]

50 minutes ago, Ship said:

Williams is an RT. We either have a better replacement RT in Moton, or we’re moving Moton to LT and are either drafting or picking up a FA RT. I think however it plays out, the extra money Williams wants doesn’t justify the minor level of better play on the right side he offers over a high round rookie or a midrange FA.

 

It's weird how you're a minority on this website with this opinion. Wish more people saw it like this.

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 I could tell by the second post you meant average. 300 sacks! No mention of joking until questioned on double-talk. 

  TB just paid 14/yr for a guy who hasn’t been close to average. Ever. So those are the times. 

Yeah it’s just the market, DE and Ot, overpay city, granted overpaying for solder is better than Matt, solder will look better when there line is upgraded 

 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Yeah it’s just the market, DE and Ot, overpay city, granted overpaying for solder is better than Matt, solder will look better when there line is upgraded 

 

 I don’t think Solder can play much better. I think he’s a slightly above average LT for life. 

   I’d throw that same contract at Trent Brown and pray.  Rather 15M to a Good LT than 10M for a RT we have a replacement for. 

[thefuzz]

17 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I'll say it here and continue to say so, because at this point it'll probably take Daryl Williams being exposed as the mediocre at best RT he is before y'all believe maybe paying him top 5 RT money doesn't justify his production level at all.

Daryl. Williams. Is. Not. That. Good.

Watch the film without your homer glasses on or believing what PFF and the All-Pro media hacks tell you. Watch his 1v1 reps and tell me how that's an All-Pro tackle. Because I did and I assure you nothing reassures me about him and all I'm sitting here doing is getting confused how he hoodwinked the NFL into thinking he is an all-pro.

I'll end it there and await for this year to play out. I pray the Panthers won't be the one to overpay him.

 

All true.  And he didn't really hoodwink the NFL...he hoodwinked the AP.

Something about that 2nd Team All Pro just seemed odd to me...never looked that good with my eyes.

[Eric4280]

Take the comp pick, draft a lineman on either side of the ball in the first three rounds, sign one of those FA safeties as a stop gap.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, d-dave said:

In fairness, who do we pick up to play LT for under $7.25M that is an upgrade?

Is it Moton (insert the answer is already on the roster) to slide to LT?  Do we know if he can be a starting LT?  He was a great RT last year as a full time starter.  Do you pay Williams (who was one of the most "helped" RTs two years ago) $11 million and pray Moton is the answer at LT?

To me, this becomes a career definer for Hurney.  If he makes the wrong choice, you know he's going to get fired.  You HAVE to protect Cam.  I don't have time to analyze everyone's snaps and stats.  I can't tell you if Moton can take on the best edge rushers in the league and have more success than Kalil did.  I'm not trying to change your mind about Kalil.

But are there any other options for the cost savings we'd have on Matt?

Moton played briefly at left tackle last year and looked good. I think he could do the job. What do we do with Kalil's? Haven't a clue. I hope that Matsko and crew do. He is a good O line coach and if anyone can salvage him, he can.

If other teams are going after Williams hard then a transition tag would give us the option to match offers or move on. We could agree to let him go for little or no compensation. It doesn't have to be 2 firsts. Otherwise no one would pay that.

[BlackCats2013]

Big bucks could mean a 3rd round comp or resign Williams? Not too tough of a call in my opinion 

[MHS831]

37 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I'll say it here and continue to say so, because at this point it'll probably take Daryl Williams being exposed as the mediocre at best RT he is before y'all believe maybe paying him top 5 RT money doesn't justify his production level at all.

Daryl. Williams. Is. Not. That. Good.

Watch the film without your homer glasses on or believing what PFF and the All-Pro media hacks tell you. Watch his 1v1 reps and tell me how that's an All-Pro tackle. Because I did and I assure you nothing reassures me about him and all I'm sitting here doing is getting confused how he hoodwinked the NFL into thinking he is an all-pro.

I'll end it there and await for this year to play out. I pray the Panthers won't be the one to overpay him.

 

He is a guard if anything

[Smithers]

3 hours ago, rayzor said:

it's ok. kalil's got this.

 

 

Nah...Moton’s got this.  Moton is the better RT of the two anyways.  We need to spend our capital on a LT

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Moton played briefly at left tackle last year and looked good. I think he could do the job.

You do?  But the coaches didn't, or he would have played LT when Kalil  went down--or he would have beat him out.   Please do not argue they kept their best LT, the LT of the future, at RT so they could sign some lame street free agent to protect Cam's blind side.  If they did that knowing Moton was a better LT than Clark or Newhouse, they should be fired.

[Khyber53]

Negotiate slowly when it comes to Williams. If there's a team out there that wants to break the bank for him right now, let them. Just don't let it be us until we know for sure that he's recovered from injury and that his prior performance wasn't a fluke.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Did we though? We were 7-9 in large part of because Cam's shoulder got jacked up again in large part due to poor protection.

So the shoulder was “jacked up”due to specific injury sustained from playing in 2018?

i did not realize that.  Thought it was in large part due to scar tissue from previous surgery.  

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

You do?  But the coaches didn't, or he would have played LT when Kalil  went down--or he would have beat him out.   Please do not argue they kept their best LT, the LT of the future, at RT so they could sign some lame street free agent to protect Cam's blind side.  If they did that knowing Moton was a better LT than Clark or Newhouse, they should be fired.

Nah. Clark played left tackle because he was better on the left side than the right. So Moton swung to the right which made the line the best if could be as a group. The line isn't about who places best at one position as much as what is the best combination you can find that  plays best together.  Moton could have played either. When Clark struggled the thinking was that moving Moton to left tackle would disrupt chemistry so it was better to put Newhouse on the left and keep Moton at right rather than move Moton and have everyone adjust to new positions 

And let's be real, left tackle and right tackle are equally important. There isn't the distinction there used to be. When Cam got crunched by Watt against Pittsburgh it was from the right side not the left if I remember correctly.