Jourdan Rodrigue does not believe we are getting rid of Tory Smith

[Waldo]

13 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

In Torrey's defense, it's hard to be at your best when you are a fast, way way way downfield receiver and your QB can't get the ball out past 15 yards. We kept wondering why they were using him on short passing routes until we found out that was all Cam could throw.

Just like Funchess, it's foolish to judge a WRs abilities in a season where the QB can't really throw the ball. No one was able to operate in their best roles last season.

If Torrey does stay another season, I think we'll see much better results from him if Cam's arm can make a comeback.

Behind whatever Oline combinations we will field this season, it may be best to not have the QB holding the ball too long too often. With William's gone, we have serious need to upgrade 3 positions on the Oline. Torry is not worth $5 million. Could he be useful, yes but only at the right price and that is not on his current deal.

[top dawg]

Smith had an off year, but his skill set is not conducive to a noodle-armed QB. He does still presumably have that skill set though. And it's not like he hasn't done notable things during his career when you purvey his entire body of work. Provided things get back to normal, perhaps his presence will be felt a little more in regards to on-field production. All that being said, there's still a lot to unfold in the coming weeks and months. I'm pretty sure that if an opportunity arises, and we need the money, then something will be worked out, or he will be cut. I'm certain (even if you're not) that if we attain talent via the draft that we deem more valuable than Smith that makes him impractical to keep, he will be cut. But right now, before the free agent market bares itself personnel-wise and monetarily, and before the educated crap shoot of the draft (that is interwoven with free agency in many respects), there is very little reason, if any, to let him go. 

[d-dave]

Man, if Tepper only saw how much smarter the Huddle was than his GM...

I appreciate the debate, but some of y'all think you're better GMs than an actual NFL GM, that the job is that easy.  I do not think that Smith will play for $5m this season.  I think that number will go down a lot.  Let's wait and see, or get worked up to the point of upsetting our guts...

[Davidson Deac II]

16 hours ago, ChibCU said:

Is he even fast anymore? Does anyone remember him burning backup DBs down the field?

In fairness, when you can't throw the ball deep, burning db's down the field is not something that would even be noticed.  

[Toomers]

What’s the value of an aging injured WR with the worst hands in the NFL? 

 

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Smith had an off year, but his skill set is not conducive to a noodle-armed QB. He does still presumably have that skill set though. And it's not like he hasn't done notable things during his career when you purvey his entire body of work. Provided things get back to normal, perhaps his presence will be felt a little more in regards to on-field production. All that being said, there's still a lot to unfold in the coming weeks and months. I'm pretty sure that if an opportunity arises, and we need the money, then something will be worked out, or he will be cut. I'm certain (even if you're not) that if we attain talent via the draft that we deem more valuable than Smith that makes him impractical to keep, he will be cut. But right now, before the free agent market bares itself personnel-wise and monetarily, and before the educated crap shoot of the draft (that is interwoven with free agency in many respects), there is very little reason, if any, to let him go. 

So if we don’t draft a WR, or sign one, we should keep him at 5M? Why keep him at all if he’s not worth that? No scenario is going to make him worth 5M suddenly. 

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Man, if Tepper only saw how much smarter the Huddle was than his GM...

I appreciate the debate, but some of y'all think you're better GMs than an actual NFL GM, that the job is that easy.  I do not think that Smith will play for $5m this season.  I think that number will go down a lot.  Let's wait and see, or get worked up to the point of upsetting our guts...

 If I couldn’t do better than 6-10 and not making the playoffs, I’d drive into oncoming traffic. 

  The salary cap is 4th grade math. Hurney has very limited scouting experience. What makes him a fit for the job. His AM radio work. Or mountain of NFL job offers. 

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So if we don’t draft a WR, or sign one, we should keep him at 5M? Why keep him at all if he’s not worth that? No scenario is going to make him worth 5M suddenly. 

Just because a few football forum members says he is not worth five mil doesn't make it so. Looking at last year's contracts, he may just be worth the money, particularly if Cam gets back to form. No one has a crystal ball. Furthermore, you don't rip up your overpriced insurance policy until you cover yourself via a more valuable one. It's pretty much that simple. You probably want to see how free agency and the draft play out before being presumptuous or downright reckless. It's not like we are really in a position to think that our receiving corps is an ironclad strength of the team right now. I mean, we have two young guys still learning the game, and a third down specialist who hasn't actually blazed the league during his career. I would think that being prudent and patient would be the order of the day, particularly for a relatively paltry sum of five mil that isn't guaranteed until September.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Just because a few football forum members says he is not worth five mil doesn't make it so. Looking at last year's contracts, he may just be worth the money, particularly if Cam gets back to form. No one has a crystal ball. Furthermore, you don't rip up your overpriced insurance policy until you cover yourself via a more valuable one. It's pretty much that simple. You probably want to see how free agency and the draft play out before being presumptuous or downright reckless. It's not like we are really in a position to think that our receiving corps is an ironclad strength of the team right now. I mean, we have two young guys still learning the game, and a third down specialist who hasn't actually blazed the league during his career. I would think that being prudent and patient would be the order of the day, particularly for a relatively paltry sum of five mil that isn't guaranteed until September.

You mean like cutting your backup RB and spending money to do it? 

  And if anyone, anywhere thinks Torrey is worth 5M, they have absolutely no clue about salaries and value. This is the same ridiculous argument as Matt Kalil. Let’s keep him at a horrible price because we don’t know what we can get. UDFAs could play at a similar level. Chris Clark just did. How hard is it to replace the worst hands in the NFL? 

   

[CatMan72]

20 hours ago, Untouchable said:

Paying 5 mil for a backup WR isn't smart.  I get the leadership role and the coaching staff has shown a liking to having that one vet in the room so I know why they'd do it but you have Jarius Wright for that already or find a cheaper option there (even if its cutting and resigning Smith at a lower rate).

Agree, you can get vet WR leadership at a much lower cap hit. 

[thefuzz]

Adam Thielen cost his team 1.3M more than Torrey cost us last season.

1373 yards and 9 TD's.

 

[KillerKat]

This team is so stupid.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

Agree, you can get vet WR leadership at a much lower cap hit. 

Show me all these vets that you can get who have had comparable careers and skill set for under 5 mil per year.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Smith had an off year, but his skill set is not conducive to a noodle-armed QB. He does still presumably have that skill set though. And it's not like he hasn't done notable things during his career when you purvey his entire body of work. Provided things get back to normal, perhaps his presence will be felt a little more in regards to on-field production. All that being said, there's still a lot to unfold in the coming weeks and months. I'm pretty sure that if an opportunity arises, and we need the money, then something will be worked out, or he will be cut. I'm certain (even if you're not) that if we attain talent via the draft that we deem more valuable than Smith that makes him impractical to keep, he will be cut. But right now, before the free agent market bares itself personnel-wise and monetarily, and before the educated crap shoot of the draft (that is interwoven with free agency in many respects), there is very little reason, if any, to let him go. 

Torrey Smith is three years removed from a 500+ yard season. He's shot. He isn't worth much more than veteran minimum and we're going to to pay him $5M because he's a nice guy in the locker room and Rivera is likely going to put him on the field in front of better, younger players because that's what Ron Rivera does.

That's what history tells us. But, keep thinking Ron and Hurney are changed men. Hell, they convinced Tepper of it. I'll believe it when I see it and the early looks don't appear promising.