Jourdan Rodrigue does not believe we are getting rid of Tory Smith

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

We're discussing Smith. The debate about CJ is a dead horse. Two entirely different situations! 

At the moment there is zero reason to cut Smith. Perhaps that will change in the coming days, weeks or months, but today there are reasons to keep him.

There are about 5 million reasons to cut Torrey Smith.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I'm just saying, Logically speaking there's no NEED to do it now. The move can wait until it NEEDS to be made, then it should be. Until that happens though, I get why we aren't moving on at the moment. The money he is owed isn't guaranteed and we can recoup it at any point before the season starts, so why do it immediately?

If we cut him now, we're short a WR and then that becomes another hole we have to fill in FA and the draft.

If we cut him then bring him back, we are most likely going to be guaranteeing him at least 1 million of that 5 million, meaning we would only net save 4 million. So if we signed a guy and needed all 5 million to work with, we'd be SOL.

If we wait until after FA and draft, if a stud falls to us or we snag a vet WR for around 5 million then we show Torrey the door and free up 5 million in an instant. No harm no foul.

Also by waiting, we hold leverage over him in negotiations. It's a dirty move (that I really wouldn't anticipate Hurney doing) but if we wait until after the draft, other teams have filled out their rosters with young up and coming and cheap talent. IT'd be harder for torrey to find a job. That's when we could strong arm him and say "you will either take a pay cut and play for just over league minimum, or attempt to find a job and expect league minimum."

@Toomers

this response answers your most recent response at the bottom. It's leverage. 

Oh believe me. I wanted to use that “leverage” before last season. Been complaining for 6 months about it. Know where your going. 

  Agree until after FA and draft. You don’t need much then at all. Because people that command 5M rarely become available (see 2016) 

 And if this report didn’t specifically say keep him around, I would have been fine whenever it happened.  If I though Hurney would have the balls to hold him until TC and “screw” him, I could live with anything. I would. But like you said, he won’t 

 And if he agrees to a 1M deal. You do it. You can get 1M out of almost any contract. That will never keep us from signing anyone. 5M will. And there is no FA or draft for WR except late. 

[beastson]

We cut him, we save 5 mil. This is a no brainer.

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I'm just saying, Logically speaking there's no NEED to do it now. The move can wait until it NEEDS to be made, then it should be. Until that happens though, I get why we aren't moving on at the moment. The money he is owed isn't guaranteed and we can recoup it at any point before the season starts, so why do it immediately?

If we cut him now, we're short a WR and then that becomes another hole we have to fill in FA and the draft.

If we cut him then bring him back, we are most likely going to be guaranteeing him at least 1 million of that 5 million, meaning we would only net save 4 million. So if we signed a guy and needed all 5 million to work with, we'd be SOL.

If we wait until after FA and draft, if a stud falls to us or we snag a vet WR for around 5 million then we show Torrey the door and free up 5 million in an instant. No harm no foul.

Also by waiting, we hold leverage over him in negotiations. It's a dirty move (that I really wouldn't anticipate Hurney doing) but if we wait until after the draft, other teams have filled out their rosters with young up and coming and cheap talent. IT'd be harder for torrey to find a job. That's when we could strong arm him and say "you will either take a pay cut and play for just over league minimum, or attempt to find a job and expect league minimum."

@Toomers

this response answers your most recent response at the bottom. It's leverage. 

I'm just of the opinion that Smith is not worth $5M. Nothing is going to change that. I see him as a veteran minimum type player. If I'm Hurney I've already sat down with his agent and hashed that one out to get it out of the way. We aren't paying you $5M. We aren't paying you anywhere close to $5M. I'll give you a veteran minimum salary with a $250k signig bonus as an incentive to sign because in no way am I guaranteeing you a roster spot so no matter what you can put pen to paper and walk away with $250k in your pocket. If not, then I'll shake your hand and wish you nothing but the best of luck and you can give me a call if you change your mind.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm just of the opinion that Smith is not worth $5M. Nothing is going to change that. I see him as a veteran minimum type player. If I'm Hurney I've already sat down with his agent and hashed that one out to get it out of the way. We aren't paying you $5M. We aren't paying you anywhere close to $5M. I'll give you a veteran minimum salary with a $250k signig bonus as an incentive to sign because in no way am I guaranteeing you a roster spot so no matter what you can put pen to paper and walk away with $250k in your pocket. If not, then I'll shake your hand and wish you nothing but the best of luck and you can give me a call if you change your mind.

And that’s how you GM. 

 I would have had this conversation last August. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And that’s how you GM. 

 I would have had this conversation last August. 

Honestly, I think it's disingenuous to carry him on the roster right now with a $5M salary if you know full well you're going to turn around and try to strong arm him later into taking less. I wouldn't do business like that. I'd put it all out there up front and if the player wanted to shop around and see if there was a better offer I'd cut him loose and give him that opportunity at the start of free agency to give him his best chance. 

[Toomers]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, I think it's disingenuous to carry him on the roster right now with a $5M salary if you know full well you're going to turn around and try to strong arm him later into taking less. I wouldn't do business like that. I'd put it all out there up front and if the player wanted to shop around and see if there was a better offer I'd cut him loose and give him that opportunity at the start of free agency to give him his best chance. 

That was my thinking. Torrey’s not the quiet type. Players despise been held and released after or at the end of FA. 

[BrianS]

On 3/6/2019 at 12:26 PM, Asurfaholic said:

Do you trade one hole for another? Are we 100% set on WR and can afford to let go a known leader? 

I would much, MUCH rather keep Jarius Wright as our veteran leadership in that room.  The dude does nothing but get open, catch the ball and make first downs.  With Funchess exiting, it wouldn't hurt us to find another big receiver.  Wright, Moore, Samuel are all similar in terms of size.  There should be absolutely no doubt that CMC could play in the slot in a pinch.  We're good this season with or without Torrey . . . and we have other holes where we aren't good.

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, Toomers said:

We are not keep him anyhow. 

Need money for FA

Dont really care but it’s better for the player

OK,,your turn.....

 This is how you answer questions. See how that’s done. Now try that without all the deflection of you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Or you would have answers like mine above. 

You don't know if we will ultimately keep him or not. Last season was derailed for him due to injury. There may be still enough reason for those making decisions to keep him, the same reasons why he was acquired in the first place. A healthy Cam and a healthy Smith may produce the desired result. being that his money is not guaranteed until September, there is little reason to ax him now. If circumstances and opportunities change between now and then, they can revisit his salary, or can him altogether. 

Now stop saying questions haven't been answered. You can refer to this post as often as necessary!

[thefuzz]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You don't know if we will ultimately keep him or not. Last season was derailed for him due to injury. There may be still enough reason for those making decisions to keep him, the same reasons why he was acquired in the first place. A healthy Cam and a healthy Smith may produce the desired result. being that his money is not guaranteed until September, there is little reason to ax him now. If circumstances and opportunities change between now and then, they can revisit his salary, or can him altogether. 

Now stop saying questions haven't been answered. You can refer to this post as often as necessary!

The entire point of this thread is a beat reporter talking about us NOT releasing Smith.

Unless you are talking about rolling this 5M over to next season, by the time September rolls around there will be very little opportunity to use said 5M.

 

[top dawg]

Just now, thefuzz said:

The entire point of this thread is a beat reporter talking about us NOT releasing Smith.

Unless you are talking about rolling this 5M over to next season, by the time September rolls around there will be very little opportunity to use said 5M.

 

And the beat reporter is speculating (in a tweet no less). 

Perhaps they will ultimately keep him. If they do so, it will be because they value him differently than you. 

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You don't know if we will ultimately keep him or not. Last season was derailed for him due to injury. There may be still enough reason for those making decisions to keep him, the same reasons why he was acquired in the first place. A healthy Cam and a healthy Smith may produce the desired result. being that his money is not guaranteed until September, there is little reason to ax him now. If circumstances and opportunities change between now and then, they can revisit his salary, or can him altogether. 

Now stop saying questions haven't been answered. You can refer to this post as often as necessary!

Those aren’t answers. Those are prayers. 

 This has always been an “if” discussion. Because of a direct statement. 

  And numerous people have given mountains of evidence to show he is not worth it. Your “ answers” are “may” and “may” and could happen. So you bet on the least likely outcome. Makes sense.

 That you want to argue that there is a possibility that’s Torrey Smith is worth 5M this year.....that says enough about you. 

 And refer to Crackas post. Those are answers. Actual situations. And the same opinion that if he’s here after  FA , something is wrong. 

 

[top dawg]

Just now, Toomers said:

Those aren’t answers. Those are prayers. 

 This has always been an “if” discussion. Because of a direct statement. 

  And numerous people have given mountains of evidence to show he is not worth it. Your “ answers” are “may” and “may” and could happen. So you bet on the least likely outcome. Makes sense.

 That you want to argue that there is a possibility that’s Torrey Smith is worth 5M this year.....that says enough about you. 

 And refer to Crackas post. Those are answers. Actual situations. And the same opinion that if he’s here after  FA , something is wrong. 

 

Your reasons are opinions.

I could care less how you feel about me. 

Your opinion doesn't matter any more than mine. Tepper's, Hurney's, Rivera's, and Turner's opinion are the one's that matter. If they deem Smith worth keeping, so be it. If they can him, so be it. There are reasons they may decide (or want) to keep him. Deal with it!

[Toomers]

16 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Your reasons are opinions.

I could care less how you feel about me. 

Your opinion doesn't matter any more than mine. Tepper's, Hurney's, Rivera's, and Turner's opinion are the one's that matter. If they deem Smith worth keeping, so be it. If they can him, so be it. There are reasons they may decide (or want) to keep him. Deal with it!

So now age, injury, stats, and drop rates are opinion? That’s adorable. 

  You mean I don’t run the team? Oh No! What to do?????????????

 Did you pound your hand and stomp your foot when you hit send?  Funniest thing I’ve read today.