Jourdan Rodrigue does not believe we are getting rid of Tory Smith

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

In 2017, with an legit-armed QB, he caught 32 balls for 430 yards and a couple of TDs.  He also was useful in "taking the top off of the defense".  He is useful in the film room and knows the playbook.  Yes - I'd pay 3m per year for that kind of production/player.

There's also the opportunity cost to factor in. We all know about Ron and his devotion to his beloved vets. There's a near certain chance that having Torrey Smith on the roster will cost a better, younger WR opportunities to get on the field. I might be convinced onTorrey Smith at something considerably less than $5M if I knew that his only place on the roster was as an emergency backup plan and veteran mentor. If everyone stays healthy, there's no place on the depth chart higher than #4 for Smith and that's with no one else added to the current roster.

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

In 2017, with an legit-armed QB, he caught 32 balls for 430 yards and a couple of TDs.  He also was useful in "taking the top off of the defense".  He is useful in the film room and knows the playbook.  Yes - I'd pay 3m per year for that kind of production/player.

And that team he actually played for couldn’t wait to get rid of him instead of considering paying him 5M/yr. Last year!

[top dawg]

Just now, Toomers said:

No you haven’t. You haven’t given one reason to keep for 5M. Or any benefit of keeping him.? You would think that someone that follows a sport this closely could learn about the money involved. But you don’t. Just excuses.

 And you better never comment on anything, any reporter, any news source puts out. You made it clear we shouldn’t even discuss random team reporters. Just be consistent. 

I have given rationale. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it so.

As for money, getting all hot and bothered over money that isn't even guaranteed until September---especially before FA and the draft at a position that's still a little tenuous---is just not the way I roll. You and others can roll with that Negative Nancy stuff over every little thing. That's just not me.

As for a story that a news source puts out, you don't tell me what to do. You obviously have an issue with being able to discriminate between actual, verifiable facts and a prevailing opinion of a reporter based upon said reporter's own opinions of the team. Lastly, I admittedly could have entirely overlooked an article. I admit, but I thought that this was just a tweet. 

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You don't pay for a body of work, you use it in your analysis. That should be common sense. If your QB, by his own admission, couldn't throw the ball over 30 yards (and actually hasn't had a decent long ball for a couple of seasons), then obviously your speed receiver whose greatest  skill is taking the top off the defense and catching long balls is going to be directly affected. Also, common sense.

Ok.  I'll play.

Torrey's rankings in yards per reception.

2016:  37th.  (right at our TE's level)  However he didn't really qualify as he only had 20 receptions.

2017: 61'st

2018:  81.  Right between Eric Ebron and Antonio Gates.  Same again though, didn't really qualify.

 

So...are we seeing a trend?  Did the Eagles see this as well, and figured out they needed a salary dump, and needed to stop thinking he was what he once was?

37th....61st....81'st.

 

[top dawg]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Ok.  I'll play.

Torrey's rankings in yards per reception.

2016:  37th.  (right at our TE's level)  However he didn't really qualify as he only had 20 receptions.

2017: 61'st

2018:  81.  Right between Eric Ebron and Antonio Gates.  Same again though, didn't really qualify.

 

So...are we seeing a trend?  Did the Eagles see this as well, and figured out they needed a salary dump, and needed to stop thinking he was what he once was?

37th....61st....81'st.

 

All of this means nothing to the upcoming 2019 season, before the draft, and before free agency.

If they need five mil, they can get five mil anytime before the start of the regular season.

[LinvilleGorge]

26 minutes ago, top dawg said:

When you're trying to build a team, and trying to ferret out reasons for this or that, you can't look at things in a vacuum. It's not as simple as saying "This guy sucks!". Letting things play out, sometimes even until the last moment,  is the way to go.

That's exactly what I'm not doing - looking at things in a vacuum. The big picture reality is that Smith is rapidly declining and he has been for 3 years. Waiving his contract would give us almost 30% more cap space available immediately with the start of free agency looming.

[PhillyB]

did you guys watch games last year? he had a slow start but came on really strong before his injury. 

5m for a starting wide receiver who's a known locker room asset on a team that just got gutted of veterans is a very good deal.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

All of this means nothing to the upcoming 2019 season, before the draft, and before free agency.

If they need five mil, they can get five mil anytime before the start of the regular season.

OK.  So you say you pay him based off body of work.  I show you body of work, and now you say it doesn't matter.

Got it.

Now you are saying that it's no big deal that he is on the roster, and that we can cut him anytime we need to.  However the thread we are typing in has said that the Panthers are likely to keep him.

Got it.

 

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's exactly what I'm not doing - looking at things in a vacuum. The big picture reality is that Smith is rapidly declining and he has been for 3 years. Waiving his contract would give us almost 30% more cap space available immediately with the start of free agency looming.

We can get that money literally any time that we need it. That's no reason to cut Smith at the moment.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

did you guys watch games last year? he had a slow start but came on really strong before his injury. 

5m for a starting wide receiver who's a known locker room asset on a team that just got gutted of veterans is a very good deal.

He's not a starter, he is however our most expensive WR on the roster.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I have given rationale. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it so.

As for money, getting all hot and bothered over money that isn't even guaranteed until September---especially before FA and the draft at a position that's still a little tenuous---is just not the way I roll. You and others can roll with that Negative Nancy stuff over every little thing. That's just not me.

As for a story that a news source puts out, you don't tell me what to do. You obviously have an issue with being able to discriminate between actual, verifiable facts and a prevailing opinion of a reporter based upon said reporter's own opinions of the team. Lastly, I admittedly could have entirely overlooked an article. I admit, but I thought that this was just a tweet. 

What is it? Because isn’t a reason. What money are you planning on using on FA. Cutting him a month from now may do no good. Draft time? Too late? TC? Screw this year? We didn’t need a OL. 

  I, and many others, have shown numerical reasons why. Age, injury, decline, WORST hands in NFL. That’s part of his body of work and much more relevant than something he did 5 years ago. Or 2. 

  You have stuck with “Because”....

well done

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We can get that money literally any time that we need it. That's no reason to cut Smith at the moment.

What’s the reason to keep him if he’s not worth 5M? Simple question? Asked many times and completely ignored.

[top dawg]

Just now, thefuzz said:

OK.  So you say you pay him based off body of work.  I show you body of work, and now you say it doesn't matter.

Got it.

Now you are saying that it's no big deal that he is on the roster, and that we can cut him anytime we need to.  However the thread we are typing in has said that the Panthers are likely to keep him.

Got it.

 

If they keep him, they keep him, but there's actually no guarantee that the fluid reality of the next few months will be the same in that regard once the season begins.

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

All of this means nothing to the upcoming 2019 season, before the draft, and before free agency.

If they need five mil, they can get five mil anytime before the start of the regular season.

Holy 180 degree whiplash Batman!!!!!!!