Jourdan Rodrigue does not believe we are getting rid of Tory Smith

[grimesgoat]

Convert his $5 mil salary to a 2-year 6m deal (1m per year salary) with a signing bonus of 4m.  It saves 2m against the cap and costs 2m dead if we cut him next year.

Smith is not bad and 3m per year is not an extravagant price to pay for a good locker room vet with his speed and skill.  Let the guy show what he can do with a QB that can throw it down the field and take advantage of his speed.  Hopefully Cam will be that QB this year.

 

[top dawg]

15 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Not when you bring Torrey up as insurance. It’s exactly the same. Except it actually cost us s money to do that to CJ. You said insurance. 

What reasons if he’s not ever going to be worth 5M. And I don’t care about today. As has been pointed out repeatedly; the article says “keep him”. That’s the issue. You, and others keep making up scenarios that make keeping him on the roster has benefit. But none will say why? 

   

I've already said why. I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you or anyone else.

You should be old enough to know that things can change big time between now and September, and I don't care what a reporter speculates, or even necessarily what the coach says (which he really hasn't said anything). Coach-speak and being diplomatic is very much in season this time of year.

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Both Cam and Smith had injuries that played a part in such a paltry amount. Plus, again, you're disregarding his entire body of work. Hell, you'd think that he was on a walker the way that some of you talk.

Good point.

If we are talking about bodies of work, hell get Jerry Rice's agent on the phone.  Or Steve Largent's.  TO mentioned the other day that he can still lace em up.

Paying for a body of work.  What kind of nonsense is that?

[top dawg]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Its not about what you've done, it's about what you can do moving forward. Smith has been trending downward for years now. Open your eyes.

When you're trying to build a team, and trying to ferret out reasons for this or that, you can't look at things in a vacuum. It's not as simple as saying "This guy sucks!". Letting things play out, sometimes even until the last moment,  is the way to go.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Convert his $5 mil salary to a 2-year 6m deal (1m per year salary) with a signing bonus of 4m.  It saves 2m against the cap and costs 2m dead if we cut him next year.

Smith is not bad and 3m per year is not an extravagant price to pay for a good locker room vet with his speed and skill.  Let the guy show what he can do with a QB that can throw it down the field and take advantage of his speed.  Hopefully Cam will be that QB this year.

 

Or.  Offer vet minimum.  If he balks cut him.

After the first few days of free agency are over, call him back and offer him vet minimum again, or call any of the other WR's out there that will take vet minimum and can somehow possibly miraculously catch 17 passes next season.

Torrey started 6 games for us last season, and appeared in 11.  Caught 17 balls for 190 yards.

THE BRENTON BERSIN started 1 game for us in 2017, and appeared in 8.  Caught 8 balls for 128 yards.

 

Torrey Smith's cap his was $5,000.000 in 2018.

THE BRENTON BERSIN'S cap hit in 2017 was $365,000.

I just do not know where we could possibly find his production....and let's please don't forget about his body of work while we're at it.

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Good point.

If we are talking about bodies of work, hell get Jerry Rice's agent on the phone.  Or Steve Largent's.  TO mentioned the other day that he can still lace em up.

Paying for a body of work.  What kind of nonsense is that?

You don't pay for a body of work, you use it in your analysis. That should be common sense. If your QB, by his own admission, couldn't throw the ball over 30 yards (and actually hasn't had a decent long ball for a couple of seasons), then obviously your speed receiver whose greatest  skill is taking the top off the defense and catching long balls is going to be directly affected. Also, common sense.

[top dawg]

You guys are severely jumping the gun. You let things play out when you're not under pressure so as not to do anything stupid. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Convert his $5 mil salary to a 2-year 6m deal (1m per year salary) with a signing bonus of 4m.  It saves 2m against the cap and costs 2m dead if we cut him next year.

Smith is not bad and 3m per year is not an extravagant price to pay for a good locker room vet with his speed and skill.  Let the guy show what he can do with a QB that can throw it down the field and take advantage of his speed.  Hopefully Cam will be that QB this year.

 

No way should we create guaranteed money for a declining player who currently has none in his contract.

[Ricky Spanish]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

You guys are severely jumping the gun. You let things play out when you're not under pressure so as not to do anything stupid. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach.

I agree. There's no real point in getting upset just yet because FA hasn't even started, let alone the draft. 

If we get to TC and he's still on the roster with that contract, I'll be upset. Until then, I'm chilling.

[grimesgoat]

6 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Or.  Offer vet minimum.  If he balks cut him.

After the first few days of free agency are over, call him back and offer him vet minimum again, or call any of the other WR's out there that will take vet minimum and can somehow possibly miraculously catch 17 passes next season.

Torrey started 6 games for us last season, and appeared in 11.  Caught 17 balls for 190 yards.

THE BRENTON BERSIN started 1 game for us in 2017, and appeared in 8.  Caught 8 balls for 128 yards.

 

Torrey Smith's cap his was $5,000.000 in 2018.

THE BRENTON BERSIN'S cap hit in 2017 was $365,000.

I just do not know where we could possibly find his production....and let's please don't forget about his body of work while we're at it.

In 2017, with an legit-armed QB, he caught 32 balls for 430 yards and a couple of TDs.  He also was useful in "taking the top off of the defense".  He is useful in the film room and knows the playbook.  Yes - I'd pay 3m per year for that kind of production/player.

[LinvilleGorge]

How shellshocked by years of bad decisions does a fan have to be to actually be in favor of carrying Torrey Smith at a $5M cap hit when absolutely none of it is guaranteed? Three years removed from 500+ yards and three concurrent years of declining performance. $5M... LOL!

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I agree. There's no real point in getting upset just yet because FA hasn't even started, let alone the draft. 

If we get to TC and he's still on the roster with that contract, I'll be upset. Until then, I'm chilling.

We could have nearly 30% more cap space to work with in FA with the stroke of a pen. Just saying. This narrative that there's no benefit to repeat him at this point is just plain false. If he's not worth $5M today (he's not) nothing is going to change that will magically make him worth $5M.

[Toomers]

14 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I've already said why. I'm not going to keep going around in circles with you or anyone else.

You should be old enough to know that things can change big time between now and September, and I don't care what a reporter speculates, or even necessarily what the coach says (which he really hasn't said anything). Coach-speak and being diplomatic is very much in season this time of year.

No you haven’t. You haven’t given one reason to keep for 5M. Or any benefit of keeping him.? You would think that someone that follows a sport this closely could learn about the money involved. But you don’t. Just excuses.

 And you better never comment on anything, any reporter, any news source puts out. You made it clear we shouldn’t even discuss random team reporters. Just be consistent. 

[Toomers]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We could have nearly 30% more cap space to work with in FA with the stroke of a pen. Just saying. This narrative that there's no benefit to repeat him at this point is just plain false. If he's not worth $5M today (he's not) nothing is going to change that will magically make him worth $5M.

I can’t get an answer for this either. They always tap out on that one.