Ravens cut Eric Weddle

[thefuzz]

57 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Not even trying to defend Hurney but half of these are inaccurate as hell.

the kicker situation is the most over blown situation on this board. Not a pivotal decision that caused a drastic change in W/L

did you see what wrs got paid last year in fa? We dropped a failing Cb for a vet WR, I’d take smith over Worley.

saying to sign back norwell and star is hindsight 20/20, granted norwell future was decide after signing Kalil and giving Turner his contract. Wasn’t a need to invest that much money into guards and a bummy T.

We haven’t had a compentent backup since cam   has been drafted. 

There is fault in hurney but some of this is just inaccurate and dishonest 

 

None of what I said is inaccurate.  Every single one of those things are facts.

The kicker situation was a fug up by Hurney, then he compounded it by extending him again.  2 F ups for the price of 20.

Yes, I saw what WR's got paid.  WTF does that have to do with trading for a player who was going to be cut, and overpaying him for awful production?  Again, mistake.  Fact.

So, you would prefer Poe, Smith, and Gano over Norwell and Star.  Got it.

Not having a competent back up to Cam since he was drafted huh.....didn't Anderson go years as one of the top back up QBs to have on anyones roster?  Oh, and here is the hindsight stuff....Cam has more hits on him than any QB in the league.  Cam was already on a pitch count last year, and had surgery on his throwing shoulder two years before, and don't forget...is getting closer to 30.  Not having a competent backup while planning a farewell season for overpriced vets is just a dumbass move.

Every single thing I posted is a fact.  Now, I guess you could say that having Gano, Smith, and Poe over Star and Norwell could be called opinions, but those would be some of the dumbest opinions I have ever heard.

[thefuzz]

16 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Exactly. The dislike for him the first time which I shared as well has blinded folks to the reality of his second time here. Plus the MO of these critics is to make exaggerated comments using half baked comments stating opinion as fact and then acting as if anyone who disagrees is crazy or a troll.

Which one of my points were opinion?

[Cpt slay a ho]

10 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

None of what I said is inaccurate.  Every single one of those things are facts.

The kicker situation was a fug up by Hurney, then he compounded it by extending him again.  2 F ups for the price of 20.

Yes, I saw what WR's got paid.  WTF does that have to do with trading for a player who was going to be cut, and overpaying him for awful production?  Again, mistake.  Fact.

So, you would prefer Poe, Smith, and Gano over Norwell and Star.  Got it.

Not having a competent back up to Cam since he was drafted huh.....didn't Anderson go years as one of the top back up QBs to have on anyones roster?  Oh, and here is the hindsight stuff....Cam has more hits on him than any QB in the league.  Cam was already on a pitch count last year, and had surgery on his throwing shoulder two years before, and don't forget...is getting closer to 30.  Not having a competent backup while planning a farewell season for overpriced vets is just a dumbass move.

Every single thing I posted is a fact.  Now, I guess you could say that having Gano, Smith, and Poe over Star and Norwell could be called opinions, but those would be some of the dumbest opinions I have ever heard.

I don’t think you understand the definition of fact, this is damn near all opinion based. 

So we don’t trade Worley and Smith gets cut who’s replacing him ? Because when ryan grant is getting paid 7 mil ish I highly doubt a released Torrey Smith coming off a Super Bowl team is getting paid less than 5 mil 

when the hell has Anderson ever been a good backup let alone a top one in the nfl ? Those are a lot of holes you want filled with cap space being dedicated to norwell and star in your revision fa, that’s like me saying I prefer norwell and star over Matt Kalil, but that’s inaccurate.  

That’s the definition of hindsight, he had a healthy 2017 and has missed 2-3 games his career, that’s like blaming a gm for not having a backup qb for Brett farve or Eli Manning, the guys don’t miss games, add in the new rules that protect qbs and there wasn’t a glaring need for a backup qb, I’m trying to figure out what money would have been used if we have norwell and star on the roster to sign a backup qb, WR and others 

[thefuzz]

18 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I don’t think you understand the definition of fact, this is damn near all opinion based. 

So we don’t trade Worley and Smith gets cut who’s replacing him ? Because when ryan grant is getting paid 7 mil ish I highly doubt a released Torrey Smith coming off a Super Bowl team is getting paid less than 5 mil 

when the hell has Anderson ever been a good backup let alone a top one in the nfl ? Those are a lot of holes you want filled with cap space being dedicated to norwell and star in your revision fa, that’s like me saying I prefer norwell and star over Matt Kalil, but that’s inaccurate.  

That’s the definition of hindsight, he had a healthy 2017 and has missed 2-3 games his career, that’s like blaming a gm for not having a backup qb for Brett farve or Eli Manning, the guys don’t miss games, add in the new rules that protect qbs and there wasn’t a glaring need for a backup qb, I’m trying to figure out what money would have been used if we have norwell and star on the roster to sign a backup qb, WR and others 

 

Should we have kept Butker over Gano with the extension?

Should we have extend Greg Olsen coming off injury, when he had already discussed retirement, was over 30, and was under contract for 2018?

Should we have signed Poe for that price tag?

Should we have kept Torrey on the roster at that price, for that production?

Should we have traded KB during a run to the playoffs only to use that pick on Gaulden?

These only need yes or no answers.

 

[panthers55]

56 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Which one of my points were opinion?

What points if any are facts? Saying someone is terrible for example is opinion not a fact. Saying someone screwed up is an opinion not fact. Saying he messed up the draft or make a bad contract is an opinion not a fact. Again tell me a fact and let's see if you know the difference. Frankly most folks don't and state opinions as facts.

[ChibCU]

17 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

 

Should we have kept Butker over Gano with the extension?

Should we have extend Greg Olsen coming off injury, when he had already discussed retirement, was over 30, and was under contract for 2018?

Should we have signed Poe for that price tag?

Should we have kept Torrey on the roster at that price, for that production?

Should we have traded KB during a run to the playoffs only to use that pick on Gaulden?

These only need yes or no answers.

 

Yes

No

Indifferent

No

Yes to trade; no to Gaulden pick

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, ChibCU said:

Yes

No

Indifferent

No

Yes to trade; no to Gaulden pick

I can understand the indifferent part...but Poe is counting 9.3M against the cap this year, and was a JAG last season.  IMO it was a bad signing, especially if we talk about losing a comp pick, and not rolling that cap space over to this season to go and grab some positions of need.

I don't agree with trading KB during a run to the playoffs.  I'm glad he's gone, but that very well could have cost us a playoff game vs. NO that year.  Not the end of the World, I just didn't like it.  The Gaulden pick seemed bad then, and seems worse now.  We shall see.

[Cpt slay a ho]

27 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

 

Should we have kept Butker over Gano with the extension?

Should we have extend Greg Olsen coming off injury, when he had already discussed retirement, was over 30, and was under contract for 2018?

Should we have signed Poe for that price tag?

Should we have kept Torrey on the roster at that price, for that production?

Should we have traded KB during a run to the playoffs only to use that pick on Gaulden?

These only need yes or no answers.

 

You were on a roll until you said reading kb, that was a damn smart move seeing as he threw our qb under the bus and is on his way out the league 

Olsen bad move if he doesn’t perform above average this coming season or retires beforehand 

Releasing Torrey did exactly what for us? Who’s the replacement. Same with Poe, little early to jump ship on him after one season and a terrible dc majority the season.

hindsight, yes we should have kept bukter but 8/10 times I’m going with the vet kicker over the rookie 

Galuden has one season under his belt, lets pump brakes on calling him a waist when the guy traded for him is on his way out the leauge 

[ChibCU]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Releasing Torrey did exactly what for us? Who’s the replacement. Same with Poe, little early to jump ship on him after one season and a terrible dc majority the season.

His production and abilities could have been replaced by a practice squad player. I would have been content to have Mose Frazier take up that final WR spot for pennies while playing special teams. WR4 rarely gets on the field. I also was angry that our young, talent was not given playing time at the expense of the unproductive vet. Terrible.

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You were on a roll until you said reading kb, that was a damn smart move seeing as he threw our qb under the bus and is on his way out the league 

Olsen bad move if he doesn’t perform above average this coming season or retires beforehand 

Releasing Torrey did exactly what for us? Who’s the replacement. Same with Poe, little early to jump ship on him after one season and a terrible dc majority the season.

hindsight, yes we should have kept bukter but 8/10 times I’m going with the vet kicker over the rookie 

Galuden has one season under his belt, lets pump brakes on calling him a waist when the guy traded for him is on his way out the leauge 

Trading KB at that time was the mistake.  After the season is over fine, but have you gone back and looked at who Cam was throwing the ball to in the playoffs?

Olsen was a bad move either way.  He was under contract for 2018 already and was coming off injury, and is STILL considering walking away, and you can bet your ass he would right now if he didn't have to pay back a huge portion of his signing bonus.

Releasing Torrey wasn't the issue, it was the trade for him when the Eagles were going to cut him, therefore being able to sign him at a lower rate.  It's not about the player, it's about the money.  As to how we would replace him?  150 yards on the season?  It ain't that hard.

Going with the vet kicker is fine, as long as the money and contracts line up closely.  In this case they didn't, then you compound the mistake by doubling down and extending the overpriced streaky kicker, that is much longer in the tooth.  That's when you turn a mistake into a F Up.

I'd love to hear others expectations of Gaulden...seemed like a Hurney reach at the time, and that doesn't look to change.  As I said I'll give him some time, but things don't look good.

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

His production and abilities could have been replaced by a practice squad player. I would have been content to have Mose Frazier take up that final WR spot for pennies while playing special teams. WR4 rarely gets on the field. I also was angry that our young, talent was not given playing time at the expense of the unproductive vet. Terrible.

Idk about a practice squad player replacing his production, before injury he was actually playing decent. I agreed definitely shouldn’t have token significant playing time away from our rooki s but at the same time I can’t see Torrey fumbling 3 times in 2 games that very well costed us the dub. Funchess was the guy who needed his role limited IMO 

[ChibCU]

18 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Idk about a practice squad player replacing his production, before injury he was actually playing decent. I agreed definitely shouldn’t have token significant playing time away from our rooki s but at the same time I can’t see Torrey fumbling 3 times in 2 games that very well costed us the dub. Funchess was the guy who needed his role limited IMO 

I'd have Moore, Samuel, Wright, and Funchess ahead of Smith, but that one spot difference isn't a huge difference. If Torrey Smith was a WR4/5 all season, his numbers would have been even worse. I think Mose would have a similar impact at WR 4/5, which is damn near meaningless at that position on the depth chart.

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Trading KB at that time was the mistake.  After the season is over fine, but have you gone back and looked at who Cam was throwing the ball to in the playoffs?

Olsen was a bad move either way.  He was under contract for 2018 already and was coming off injury, and is STILL considering walking away, and you can bet your ass he would right now if he didn't have to pay back a huge portion of his signing bonus.

Releasing Torrey wasn't the issue, it was the trade for him when the Eagles were going to cut him, therefore being able to sign him at a lower rate.  It's not about the player, it's about the money.  As to how we would replace him?  150 yards on the season?  It ain't that hard.

Going with the vet kicker is fine, as long as the money and contracts line up closely.  In this case they didn't, then you compound the mistake by doubling down and extending the overpriced streaky kicker, that is much longer in the tooth.  That's when you turn a mistake into a F Up.

I'd love to hear others expectations of Gaulden...seemed like a Hurney reach at the time, and that doesn't look to change.  As I said I'll give him some time, but things don't look good.

Kb stock was sinking, doubt we’d get anything more than a 5th day if he stayed til season end.

olsen again a bad move barring he has a 2015 type season 

smith wouldn’t have gotten less than 5 mil in the open market plus getting into bid wars with other teams.

kicker was a mistake but not one that put a stranglehold on the franchise.

gaulden, the entire defense not named Luke looked like ass hell even Luke at times, we gotta quit expecting 3rd rounders to come in and provide immediate impacts

[Basbear]

23 hours ago, stbugs said:

That’s what I and other said in the Reid signing thread. I wanted to sign Reid but the deal was too rich considering what the safety market has become and how many FAs there are. Mathieu only got $7m per season last year and no other safety was close and we exceeded that without seeing how the market was going to be. Oh well, it still wasn’t so much that if he plays well being here the whole offseason then we’ll be Ok with it.

I "justify" Reid like this- In 2018 herniay signed him to a 4yr 24r million deal with 12 in guarantees (missed the first two games cause of hamstring). 2019 safety market is still unknown, still a small chance this signing could be a bargin...small.