Ron ranked in top 10 of NFL head coaches

[MechaZain]

12 hours ago, panthers55 said:

And here I thought you needed 22 players plus special teams to play a game not just 2 guys. I thought this was a football message board not doubles in tennis.

The Panthers have an above average roster no matter how you slice it and arguably have for Ron's entire tenure

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

The Panthers have an above average roster no matter how you slice it and arguably have for Ron's entire tenure

Your waiting your time. He is a gaslighting troll with no creditability that runs from facts and can never admit he is wrong, which he is frequently.

[panthers55]

51 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

The Panthers have an above average roster no matter how you slice it and arguably have for Ron's entire tenure

Not according to most of the pundits out there. In fact in 2015 our offense and our receivers in particular we're judged the worse in the league. Yeah the year we went 15-1 and led the league in offense.

And the constant complain here has been that Cam doesn't have enough talent around him to succeed.  Funny how according to you that isn't true.

Of and remember when we started rookie corners and were judged to have the worse secondary in the league. And how about 2018 where our offensive  line was ranked 17 and what was the secondary? 28th or so 

Unless you really want to advance the idea that Ron and company have had great talent like the Rams and squandered it. 

Funny how folks make things up to bash Rivera no mater how ridiculous. 

[tiger7_88]

On 3/5/2019 at 11:56 AM, mc52beast said:

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Article/Ron-Rivera-Top-10-NFL-Coach-Rotoworld-2019-129737679/

I know a lot of people here wanted Ron fired last season, dude is ranked #10 on the list. What say you guys?

I'm absolutely 100% sure that the rest of the NFL coaches just fugging LOVE Ron Rivera.

[ickmule]

I’m so glad so many of you are experts on coaches. Maybe someone should tell Tep to read the huddle when he needs to make a decision.  Lol.  

Ron’s still here because the man that writes the checks thinks he’s a good coach.  

[NanuqoftheNorth]

On 3/5/2019 at 8:56 AM, mc52beast said:

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Article/Ron-Rivera-Top-10-NFL-Coach-Rotoworld-2019-129737679/

I know a lot of people here wanted Ron fired last season, dude is ranked #10 on the list. What say you guys?

We should not lose sight of the fact that The Patrick Daugherty ranked Rivera as the 10th-best head coach in the league.

Well, that is, like, just his opinion, man.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

We should not lose sight of the fact that The Patrick Daugherty ranked Rivera as the 10th-best head coach in the league.

Well, that is, like, just his opinion, man.

And so is yours except he is in a national publication and you are.     nowhere.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

51 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And so is yours except he is in a national publication and you are.     nowhere.

And I'll bet most people that frequent this site have seen significantly more Panthers football games coached by Ron Rivera than Patrick Daugherty.

[Moo Daeng]

1 hour ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

And I'll bet most people that frequent this site have seen significantly more Panthers football games coached by Ron Rivera than Patrick Daugherty.

Probably, but most people here have shown no ability to honestly analyze anything. It's just picking a side and arguing it to death. Sports is Politics. Fact and reason don't matter.

However, the fact he ranked McVay at 3 is proof pretty much proof his judgment isn't any better.

 

[PanthersFanNY]

Calling Ron one of the better coaches in the league is a mistake. I don't think he's Hue Jackson bad or anything, but he is middle of the pack and his time in Carolina has run its course.

His defense average rank for points allowed over 8 years is 13.5. His offense is 12.75.

He has had 3 winning seasons out of his 8 years here with Cam and Luke in their primes. Generational talents at QB and MLB.

His winning percentage is about 56%. Not good, not bad, mediocre. About 5% better than John Fox before him who for his last three years had to trot out an old and injured Jake Delhomme, 90 year old Vinny Testaverde, David Carr, and Jimmy Clausen.

Plays extremely cautiously with even just a small lead.

Continuously has made poor time management decisions throughout his tenure.

Has never been able to correct issue of getting play calls in quicker or getting to the line quicker resulting in wasted time outs. This has also been an issue his entire tenure.

Has a negative point differential the last three years.

His two best years, 2013 and 2015, are now looking like aberrations rather than the norm.

Has a tendency to favor vets, as shown by DJ Moore not getting significant play time until the ghost of Torrey Smith got injured this year.

Statistically, he's worse in just about every way than Mike McCarthy who had Packers fans elated when he was fired.

[hepcat]

How many head coaches started their tenures with an elite talent like Cam Newton?

[rayzor]

10th best out of 100 can be pretty impressive. 10th best out of 32....not so much, but he isn't even that on this list.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/goal-line-stand/nfls-best-coaches-2019?page=1

It only goes up to 24 in the rankings and what would have made the rest of the list of 32 were the 8 new hires, so they don't count. 

Of the ones listed behind him, only 4 have been in their current roles for more than 2 years... Bill O'Brien, Jason Garrett, Dan Quinn, and Jay Gruden. All 4 of these are walking on thin ice and some may not even make it through the next year.

So basically, he's just above the bottom tier of established coaches or ones trying to establish themselves.

There are only 8 coaches who have been in their current gigs 5 years or more. On that list, only Jason Garrett is ranked behind him.

The best case anyone could make for him is that he is either average or maybe slightly above average. Sorry, but neither of those things should be aspired to or considered acceptable. It's disappointing that so many are, including this front office and the new ownership. You can't be the best if you settle for mediocrity.

So continue with the excuses and Calling into question people's fanhood for not drinking the koolaid. It's just not good enough. I want this team at the top, but we're just not going to get there hoping that an old dog can learn new tricks.

[thefuzz]

3 hours ago, PanthersFanNY said:

Calling Ron one of the better coaches in the league is a mistake. I don't think he's Hue Jackson bad or anything, but he is middle of the pack and his time in Carolina has run its course.

His defense average rank for points allowed over 8 years is 13.5. His offense is 12.75.

He has had 3 winning seasons out of his 8 years here with Cam and Luke in their primes. Generational talents at QB and MLB.

His winning percentage is about 56%. Not good, not bad, mediocre. About 5% better than John Fox before him who for his last three years had to trot out an old and injured Jake Delhomme, 90 year old Vinny Testaverde, David Carr, and Jimmy Clausen.

Plays extremely cautiously with even just a small lead.

Continuously has made poor time management decisions throughout his tenure.

Has never been able to correct issue of getting play calls in quicker or getting to the line quicker resulting in wasted time outs. This has also been an issue his entire tenure.

Has a negative point differential the last three years.

His two best years, 2013 and 2015, are now looking like aberrations rather than the norm.

Has a tendency to favor vets, as shown by DJ Moore not getting significant play time until the ghost of Torrey Smith got injured this year.

Statistically, he's worse in just about every way than Mike McCarthy who had Packers fans elated when he was fired.

Please don't forget special teams while you are doing this as well.

He averages around 22nd in the league.  However, remove the single top 10 finish in his career, and we are looking at 24th.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, PanthersFanNY said:

Calling Ron one of the better coaches in the league is a mistake. I don't think he's Hue Jackson bad or anything, but he is middle of the pack and his time in Carolina has run its course.

His defense average rank for points allowed over 8 years is 13.5. His offense is 12.75.

He has had 3 winning seasons out of his 8 years here with Cam and Luke in their primes. Generational talents at QB and MLB.

His winning percentage is about 56%. Not good, not bad, mediocre. About 5% better than John Fox before him who for his last three years had to trot out an old and injured Jake Delhomme, 90 year old Vinny Testaverde, David Carr, and Jimmy Clausen.

Plays extremely cautiously with even just a small lead.

Continuously has made poor time management decisions throughout his tenure.

Has never been able to correct issue of getting play calls in quicker or getting to the line quicker resulting in wasted time outs. This has also been an issue his entire tenure.

Has a negative point differential the last three years.

His two best years, 2013 and 2015, are now looking like aberrations rather than the norm.

Has a tendency to favor vets, as shown by DJ Moore not getting significant play time until the ghost of Torrey Smith got injured this year.

Statistically, he's worse in just about every way than Mike McCarthy who had Packers fans elated when he was fired.

Stop making so much sense. That's frowned upon by the head in the sand contingent.