Ron ranked in top 10 of NFL head coaches

[Waldo]

47 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

When have you ever used facts instead of biased opinions with no substantiation. Do you know what a fact even is?

3 seasons easy.

We go from 2-14 with little to no talent and a cap crunch and went 6-10 with a rookie quarterback folks said would take 2 years to learn the offense and no off-season . Then despite his OC trying to get a HC job instead of helping the team and still deficits in talent and improves to 7-9 which is again an improvement. Then Gettleman finally gets us out of cap hell and shops at Walmart instead of the thrift store giving us some decent talent on the defense and we go 12-4. A huge improvement and a division title. Improvement each year. Ignore the 15-1 season or 11-5 in 2017 but yeah given what he had to work with he did a solid job.

As for changing your mind, I actually do that for a living and you would be a waste of time to try. You already know the answers before you even hear the questions.

Just in case you need directions. Come on, join the club. It's liberating. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

"Rivera is a good NFL HC" is a myth thats gonna be busted with this upcoming shitshow of a season

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Still didn't admit to being wrong lol

Actually what is funny is I knew what you were going to do. You only admitted you were wrong so you could prove me wrong by doing the opposite of what I said.  Or you could have continued to argue and prove.me right. In either case you were in a double bind and acted predictably. So was I wrong or did you just get manipulated into admitting you were to spite me.   

You are right this is fun. 

As for being wrong, you.must not be married or you would know I am wrong everyday. Just ask my wife of 41 years.

[SmokinwithWilly]

35 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And here I thought you needed 22 players plus special teams to play a game not just 2 guys. I thought this was a football message board not doubles in tennis.

It does require more players than just 2, but without 2 HoF at the most important positions on offense and defense, other coaches have managed back to back winning seasons. Take away Cam and Luke and its George Seifert 2.0

 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It does require more players than just 2, but without 2 HoF at the most important positions on offense and defense, other coaches have managed back to back winning seasons. Take away Cam and Luke and its George Seifert 2.0

 

First of all you don't know if they are HOFs until 5 years after they retire so  you have to go back and determine that after the fact not now. Secondly there are coaches who have had winning seasons  back to back without HOFs at QB or MLB. Lots of great players never make the HOF. So to say we would suck if we didn't have Cam or Luke assumes we couldn't find very good players  to fill those positions that could produce winning seasons but didn't make the Hall of Fame.  How many people do you think they elect to the Hall of Fame each year versus how many great players they have to choose between.

[Waldo]

12 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually what is funny is I knew what you were going to do. You only admitted you were wrong so you could prove me wrong by doing the opposite of what I said.  Or you could have continued to argue and prove.me right. In either case you were in a double bind and acted predictably. So was I wrong or did you just get manipulated into admitting you were to spite me.   

You are right this is fun. 

As for being wrong, you.must not be married or you would know I am wrong everyday. Just ask my wife of 41 years.

I feel like I am having that conversation in the princess bride and you are Vizzini. You can't be wrong because you knew what I was thinking even though that was not what I was thinking. If that was a trap than it was one you made for yourself. You are a giant walking excuse and are nothing more than a toll, by your own admission.  

[GeorgeHanson]

3 hours ago, Waldo said:

You wouldn't admit to a fact if it sat on you. You would just call it wrong and expect it to give in. I'm not in a cult and I'm not recruiting others. I'm a disgruntled football fan. You want my mind to change. Give me three competent season showing that I am dead wrong. Ron could squeak by with one but he has never done it back to back. Ever. That's a fact. I live and learn. I eat crow. I wish I was wrong but this dude is a dud at HC and could be a lights out D coordinator. 

No coach has ever done it back-to-back with the Panthers.  Like with the Bobcats/Hornets, all the Panthers coaches have entered the octagon with a bad knee and one hand tied behind their back....

.....Ron was working for inept ownership his entire career and as such we will never know how good or bad he really is/was under Ol' Jer'.....

....we are fixin' to find out! 

[GoPanthers123]

We had major injuries this season, and top 5 hardest schedule in the nfl. Plus players dropping passes, kickers choking, secondary who couldn’t tackle and O Line full of holes.  

 

We almost made the playoffs. So there. I think there is enough blame to go around.  Ron is average, he is a players coach for better or worse. 

[panthers55]

50 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I feel like I am having that conversation in the princess bride and you are Vizzini. You can't be wrong because you knew what I was thinking even though that was not what I was thinking. If that was a trap than it was one you made for yourself. You are a giant walking excuse and are nothing more than a toll, by your own admission.  

I just told you I am wrong every day. You clearly don't pay attention.

As for being easily manipulated, don't get mad learn to be less predictable.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Ron is a top 10 HC in the NFC...

Oh wait... NFL in general? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Waldo]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I just told you I am wrong every day. You clearly don't pay attention.

As for being easily manipulated, don't get mad learn to be less predictable.

 I think it's funny that you still haven't taken accountability for the one wrong you have ran away from in your twisted logic. I dont need your wife to tell me that you are wrong daily, your post prove your are wrong more frequently than that. The longer anyone stays on this site, the more they see your shtick about manipulation and avoidance of truth. Your credibility is worthless.

 

[panthers55]

52 minutes ago, Waldo said:

 I think it's funny that you still haven't taken accountability for the one wrong you have ran away from in your twisted logic. I dont need your wife to tell me that you are wrong daily, your post prove your are wrong more frequently than that. The longer anyone stays on this site, the more they see your shtick about manipulation and avoidance of truth. Your credibility is worthless.

 

So butt hurt over getting played. Now let's play the get in the lastt word game. If you respond then I am right you can't avoid always getting in the last word. If you don't then you have to deal with not having the last say which will bother you given your personality. So do you not take the bait and let it go or comment and prove me right. In either case I won't respond given this was fun but only for a diversion given the long off-season. Choose....

[rayzor]

Jeff Fisher was considered a top 10 coach for years with nothing to show for it and nothing really to back it up other than the fact he managed to escape getting fired for so long...twice.

 

[Mr. Scot]

37 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Jeff Fisher was considered a top 10 coach for years with nothing to show for it and nothing really to back it up other than the fact he managed to escape getting fired for so long...twice.

Yep. Fisher was regularly talked about like he was one of the best coaches in the league. Always used to make me say "Do people not know what this guy's record is?"