Sweat just ran out of our reach 4.42 defensive end.

[ncfan]

Still think its possible he falls

It is a deep class

[micnificent28]

19 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Still think its possible he falls

It is a deep class

It is possible... But do you think it's likely?

[Palmetto]

More productive in college than Gary

Raiders at 4 or if they trade back in the top 10

[ncfan]

55 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

It is possible... But do you think it's likely?

Could depends

Our 2 biggest threats are Detroit and Greenbay.

 

Detroit is targeting Trey Flowers hard, the FA DE for the Patriots.  They land him and they probably address another need

Also Lions are Heavily interested in the Devin White.  They interviewed him at the combine

 

Greenbay will probably go Burns

[bobcat91]

4 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

Yes he was playing on a great college team with a great d line but he still showed up and played well against the top teams in the nation. Austin Bryant was also on that line and he isn’t being talked about as a first rounder. 

Sweat on the other hand was a non factor against every top team he ever played against.

Sweat has a ton of potential but he needs work to become an every down defensive end. I don’t see him being anything more than a 3rd down pass rusher as a rookie. Sweat may have a higher ceiling but Ferrell is the more pro ready prospect  and would be a great fit with Mario this season.

If we are able to sign a significant DE free agent that’s one thing but right now we need a day one  starting DE and I think Ferrell and maybe Gary (still think he will be better suited as a 3-4 end or 3 tech) are your best options for that in this draft.

 

You mentioned that Sweat was a non factor vs major competition. Stats are not your friend. He had no sacks vs Bama in 2 games. But registered multiple sacks vs Auburn, Texas A &M, LSU, etc. If you like Ferrell then that's fine, but he has proved himself to worthy of top 10 consideration based on production against the SEC, Senior Bowl and the combine. 

[Eazy-E]

36 minutes ago, bobcat91 said:

You mentioned that Sweat was a non factor vs major competition. Stats are not your friend. He had no sacks vs Bama in 2 games. But registered multiple sacks vs Auburn, Texas A &M, LSU, etc. If you like Ferrell then that's fine, but he has proved himself to worthy of top 10 consideration based on production against the SEC, Senior Bowl and the combine. 

Never said he wasn't worthy, I just think Ferrell is a better 4-3 end prospect and would be more ready to start day one due to the fact that he is significantly better against the run.

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Never said he wasn't worthy, I just think Ferrell is a better 4-3 end prospect and would be more ready to start day one due to the fact that he is significantly better against the run.

Which one has a higher ceiling vs the pass? I mean stop the run isn't the reason we are looking at pass rusher. I really don't care if Sweat is terrible vs the run because we need to get after the QB. Thats the reason we lost games.

[bobcat91]

6 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Which one has a higher ceiling vs the pass? I mean stop the run isn't the reason we are looking at pass rusher. I really don't care if Sweat is terrible vs the run because we need to get after the QB. Thats the reason we lost games.

And that's just it, Sweat was near the top of the conference in tackles for loss. He plays the run very well. He averaged 10.5 sacks a year in the SEC going against the best LT in college ball. Would love to have one available at 16.

[Eazy-E]

33 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Which one has a higher ceiling vs the pass? I mean stop the run isn't the reason we are looking at pass rusher. I really don't care if Sweat is terrible vs the run because we need to get after the QB. Thats the reason we lost games.

Sweat, but Ferrell is the better player right now. I would say Sweat's bust rate is higher than his chances of reaching his potential. I would feel way more comfortable with Sweat if we were to sign a guy like Trey Flowers or another starting DE.

I don't think Sweat is ready to be a day one starters and I feel Ferrell is.

This is all my opinion and I would be ecstatic if we are able to land either one.

[micnificent28]

27 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Sweat, but Ferrell is the better player right now. I would say Sweat's bust rate is higher than his chances of reaching his potential. I would feel way more comfortable with Sweat if we were to sign a guy like Trey Flowers or another starting DE.

I don't think Sweat is ready to be a day one starters and I feel Ferrell is.

This is all my opinion and I would be ecstatic if we are able to land either one.

Pretty sure one of them will be there I mean they all can’t go top 15.

[Icege]

Bruhs are we really going to be pissed that we got Clelin Ferrell, Montez Sweat, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, Christian Wilkins, Ed Oliver, or an OT to replace Kalil with instead of Clelin Ferrell, Montez Sweat, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, Christian Wilkins, Ed Oliver, or an OT to replace Kalil with?

[bandu]

5 minutes ago, Icege said:

Bruhs are we really going to be pissed that we got Clelin Ferrell, Montez Sweat, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, Christian Wilkins, Ed Oliver, or an OT to replace Kalil with instead of Clelin Ferrell, Montez Sweat, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, Christian Wilkins, Ed Oliver, or an OT to replace Kalil with?

yeah im going to be pissed  because i want N'Keal Harry at #16.

[Icege]

1 minute ago, bandu said:

yeah im going to be pissed  because i want N'Keal Harry at #16.

[shaqattaq]

18 hours ago, J.B. said:

Not necessarily. The other DL are also showing well - and his negative traits still exist (stiff, lack of power moves).  A couple WRs put themselves in consideration for top 15 yesterday - and the DBs have yet to run. Still a chance he is there at 16......but probably not a great one