Some notes from my source involving the NFL draft

[ncfan]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It seems like a lot of people here think Jonah Williams is a bonafide NFL LT and that Clelin Ferrell will be an NFL JAG.

I wonder if they watched that game? Ferrell got the better of that matchup and consistently got pressure on the QB.

Anyone who likes Williams should really like Ferrell.

I wouldnt say Ferrell got the better of it.

It was pretty even.  Ferrell just had the 1-2 Big plays that everyone highlighted on.  Williams did a solid job on him overal

Secondly, people here don't think Ferrell is a Jag.  He's just not a good fit where we are moving forward with this defense.  He reminds me of Derek Barnett, Dam stud 4-3 DE just nit the best fit for Defenses who run 3-4 which wouod require standup outside on the edge rush/drop in coverage/move around etc.  Ferrell is going to be a Stud in the right system that fits him, just like Burns getting to a 3-4 team vs a 4-3 team

[The4ManRush]

Thing is there are so many lineman with position flexibility.

 

Jawaan Taylor - RT or guard

Jonah - LT or guard

Cody Ford - both tackles and guard

 

At worst they can come in and start at guard and move to tackle next year. Or if they play well enough they can start at tackle and we can move Daryl inside. Tackles are expensive. It would be nice to have 2 quality tackles on rookie deals instead of having to pay Daryl next year. 

[Mr. Scot]

35 minutes ago, stbugs said:

In all these Moton as LT discussions, not one person has ever responded when I asked them if they truly felt that Kalil and Clark were better LTs or heck if Daryl was a better RT. Anyone who watched Moton last year and didn’t think he was our best tackle in the past few year, period, wasn’t actually watching. Trying to use the argument that he couldn’t unseat them just points right back to the play the veterans until injury forces you otherwise and what do you know the young guys are much better. 

Chris Clark looked like an awkward kid taking his first dance class about every time he came out of his stance. Hell, Byron Bell had better technique and footwork than Clark.

We benefited a lot last year from the emphasis on Cam getting the ball out early. That didn't make Clark a good tackle. He was terrible. That became more obvious as the season went on and Newton started to fade.

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Didn’t say it was. Unfortunately last offseason we completely ignored OL and Clark was all that was available. I was laughing at and saying that all the Moton’s a guard or can’t beat out Kalil and Clark never respond when I ask them if the actually believe those two are better than Moton.

I caught that. Just chiming in on how bad Clark was.

[Verge]

Jonah won't get to us.

[Verge]

If he doesn't go to Jacksonville, I think he goes to Detroit.

 

 

[ncfan]

Just now, Verge said:

If he doesn't go to Jacksonville, I think he goes to Detroit.

 

 

With the rumors of us potentially moving up for a OT, could we be targeting him?

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

In all these Moton as LT discussions, not one person has ever responded when I asked them if they truly felt that Kalil and Clark were better LTs or heck if Daryl was a better RT. Anyone who watched Moton last year and didn’t think he was our best tackle in the past few year, period, wasn’t actually watching. Trying to use the argument that he couldn’t unseat them just points right back to the play the veterans until injury forces you otherwise and what do you know the young guys are much better. 

If you are referring to me---I clearly stated repeatedly that what we think does not matter---we don't pick the lineups.  If you are not referring to my points, do not read this further.  Moton did not beat out Kalil.  Fact.  Williams beat out Moton at RT.  Fact.  Kalil went down, they moved Moton from the all-important LT position to RT and inserted Clark at LT.  Fact.  They benched Clark and put Newhouse in at LT, not Moton.  Fact.  They could have looked at Moton at LT during the last 2 games, but did not.   Fact.

People now say Moton is the LT of the future.  Opinion that is not based on the facts of 2018.  That is all that was said.   This is not about who is the best player.  It is about what they will do at T based on historical decisions.

I think you will see this:  We draft a LT, Williams to LG, Moton at RT.  Just a guess, based on some facts, some opinions.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

I see a lot of people assuming Williams will play at LG but I remember when he tried to play at RG and it was terrible. Do I have this wrong? He stepped in because of injuries and it was ugly. Hey, maybe I have this completely wrong but if I don't I don't see how he is a good answer at LG. 

There are many variables, but I am merely guessing that--they will not put the best LG at LG, but they will put the worst RT at LG.  Again, I am guessing as we all are.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

There are many variables, but I am merely guessing that--they will not put the best LG at LG, but they will put the worst RT at LG.  Again, I am guessing as we all are.

Ron will Ron of course. I just haven't seen anything out of William's to suggest he will thrive outside of RT. I remember being excited to see what he could do at RG and was really surprised at it being a complete flop.

[Julio]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

These are you facts and I’m not rehashing your facts versus my facts like what the coaches say and how Moton played/started at LT.

The only thing I’ll add even though I wasn’t referring to you is that againyou dismiss the question I asked. You keep saying he couldn’t beat out Kalil or Clark, but you are ignoring my question. You can’t say he got beat out and not say if you think he’s actually worse. What the coaches do, such as starting Amini over Norwell until injury has nothing to do with who the actual better player is. Moton never got a real chance until injury. Due to his ability to play well at either spot the coaches were willing to bring Clark in board who is better on the left (coaches said that) and not worry about moving Moton to RT.

So If Moton is better on the right, why not draft a true LT and have two inexpensive great tackles instead of paying Daryl 10x the amount pick #16 would cost? 

 

[Basbear]

[TheSpecialJuan]

 

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Another NFL Nation Mock Draft in the books. With the top offensive tackles gone and a big need at edge rusher for the Panthers I selected Florida State defensive end/OLB Brian Burns with the 16th pick.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

Ron will Ron of course. I just haven't seen anything out of William's to suggest he will thrive outside of RT. I remember being excited to see what he could do at RG and was really surprised at it being a complete flop.

I have not seen him at G enough to say one way or another.