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Some notes from my source involving the NFL draft

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3 minutes ago, Julio said:

Yeap, Moton was the emergency backup at LT because Kalil was hurt. If he was such a stud there then why did we sign Chris Clark to replace him? He’s way better on the right side, that’s why.

If we HAVE to move him over I can live with it. But he seemed to find a home on the right side. He was one of the standout players on the O line

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4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

For a fan base that has whined about Cam not having protection for the last 4 years, people sure are quick to not want to spend resources in that department once there is a chance it might be ok.

There are ways of doing it while making the entire team better. We dont have to spend a first rounder on an OT that isnt an obvious upgrade over what is available in round two

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Just now, bobcat91 said:

There are ways of doing it while making the entire team better. We dont have to spend a first rounder on an OT that isnt an obvious upgrade over what is available in round two

This is the kind of ignorance that has left us a franchise QB with a busted shoulder.

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21 minutes ago, Julio said:

Yeap, Moton was the emergency backup at LT because Kalil was hurt. If he was such a stud there then why did we sign Chris Clark to replace him? He’s way better on the right side, that’s why.

Chris Clark had always played on the left side. It had less to do with Moton being a bad option at LT and moreso about trying to have players play where they felt most comfortable.

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I see a lot of people assuming Williams will play at LG but I remember when he tried to play at RG and it was terrible. Do I have this wrong? He stepped in because of injuries and it was ugly. Hey, maybe I have this completely wrong but if I don't I don't see how he is a good answer at LG. 

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26 minutes ago, Julio said:

Yeap, Moton was the emergency backup at LT because Kalil was hurt. If he was such a stud there then why did we sign Chris Clark to replace him? He’s way better on the right side, that’s why.

For pretty much the same reason that Amini Silatolu started over Andrew Norwell until he got hurt.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Does anyone really think that any OT in this draft class is gping to come in an be a better NFL LT than Taylor Moton as a rookie?

Only one who could would be Williams

As he's played in a Very similar offense to ours in college (see how we hired Alabama's Run Pass Option coach as our RB coach)

He is physically ready. Already faced top talent in college Pass blocking AND Run blocking

Kid has a Luke Kuechly type work ethic and game prep

http://www.680thefan.com/2019/04/22/bamas-ot-jonah-williams-spreadsheets-could-make-him-the-nfl-drafts-top-tackle/

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1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Only one who could would be Williams

As he's played in a Very similar offense to ours in college (see how we hired Alabama's Run Pass Option coach as our RB coach)

He is physically ready. Already faced top talent in college Pass blocking AND Run blocking

And a lot of people are projecting him to RT or even OG.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

And a lot of people are projecting him to RT or even OG.

All those people put that projection after the National Championship game claiming he wasnt long enough as the narrative to why they thought that.  Then he measured better than Dillard.  The ones who still say that cant give you a answer why anymore because the debunked length.  And if asked all they can come up with is "we think....."   not "why we think" which they gave the why (length) prior to the combine.

Remember this is the same guy whk was consensus top OL and projected top 5 pick by Everyone prior to the Clemson game.   They had Plenty of flim of him with all the starts snd for them to think so highly of him prior to that 1 game.  

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10 minutes ago, ncfan said:

All those people put that projection after the National Championship game claiming he wasnt long enough as the narrative to why they thought that.  Then he measured better than Dillard.  The ones who still say that cant give you a answer why anymore because the debunked length.  And if asked all they can come up with is "we think....."   not "why we think" which they gave the why (length) prior to the combine.

Remember this is the same guy whk was consensus top OL and projected top 5 pick by Everyone prior to the Clemson game.   They had Plenty of flim of him with all the starts snd for them to think so highly of him prior to that 1 game.  

It seems like a lot of people here think Jonah Williams is a bonafide NFL LT and that Clelin Ferrell will be an NFL JAG.

I wonder if they watched that game? Ferrell got the better of that matchup and consistently got pressure on the QB.

Anyone who likes Williams should really like Ferrell.

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