Some notes from my source involving the NFL draft

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, even if we took Sweat or Burns in the 1st I'd still run to the podium at #47 for Winovich. We don't have a single proven EDGE rusher on the roster past this coming season.

High motor--contagious.

[Proudiddy]

23 minutes ago, Prime said:

I also agree about chase winovich. I think if he's there in the second for us it would be a miracle. If we can get burns or sweat, and double down with winovich that would be tough... And then draft an o lineman in the 3rd and 6th. Or something. 

That is ideal for me at this point.  Either edge/edge or edge/S.  But, a combo of Burns/Sweat plus Winovich would have me looking for a new pair of underwear lol.

[rippadonn]

My hope would be Sweat but I know he won't drop to 16. That's why IF that's your guy you go get him. A plug and play DE from this draft would set us up for a playoff push. A guy that could come in with 4-6 sacks would be a beast of a pick. Those guys linger at the top, others Z. Allen, etc. may take a bit of time to really learn to use their bodies in an NFL game.

I'd pull the trigger but that's just me. Sweat is the insane athlete you need at DE in the NFL. Especially a guy you NEED day one. Irvin is cool, Addison, yeah but adding a Sweat or a J. Allen?!? Hurney may just pick a linebacker so we'll just have to see.

Keep in mind, this isn't Jerry Richardson.

[Verge]

10 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Good. Burns and Sweat will be gone by #16 so I'd be fine with Jonah Williams or Dillard or Cody Ford

I think Burns will be there when we pick, people are over hyping him. 

[Verge]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I think Allen basically projects as a bigger version of Wes Horton. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's not something that you want to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on IMO, especially in this deep DL/EDGE draft. Allen would become intriguing to me in the 3rd.

My guy has a first round grade on Allen, will he actually go in the first? Doubtful at this point, but Allen does impress off the ball, and closes lanes very quickly. He is definitely a quick impact kind of end, just hard to go in the first when you don'r specialize in pass rush. 

[Trill OG]

Montez Sweat, if we get him I think this would be my dream scenario. I think he is a star on the next level. His size and athletic ability you can't teach, with the right coaching he could blossom with his frame. Trade up if we have to. It's time we get a legit DE.

[Raleigh PF]

I worry about Montez Sweat. Initially projected late in the first, now climbing the charts based primarily on combine numbers, which were:

6-6, 260 

4.41 40-yard dash

21 reps at 225

36-inch vertical jump

Another early draft pick (taken 6th overall after a monster combine)

6-3, 266

4.58 40-yard dash

37 reps at 225

41-inch vertical jump

This early draft pick had great college tape, but never recorded a sack in three years in the NFL, before being cut. 

I'm not saying Sweat will be this, but the hype after the combine sounds familiar. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

8 hours ago, Verge said:

I think Burns will be there when we pick, people are over hyping him. 

he won't be there, no one will be there.

[MHS831]

9 hours ago, Verge said:

I think Burns will be there when we pick, people are over hyping him. 

I think you are right.  With a few teams needing a QB having  multiple picks in the first, it could  get crazy-- Mayock with 3 first rounders will be fun to watch.

 

[ncfan]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I’ll be honest with you. I enjoy your source and details you get, but if he’s got a 1st round grade on Zach Allen then he didn’t watch the Senior Bowl (which by my count had 9 OL who will be day 1 or 2 picks). You couldn’t have had a better setting to see DL against NFL caliber OL and Allen sucked. He’s a 3-4 DE, just doesn’t have the pass rush to be a 4-3 DE. I'd easily rather have Omenihu or Saunders as guys who are more interior DL than edge.

I’d also much rather have Burns who I think your source didn’t have a 1st round grade on. You never know who might bust, but I’d take Burn every day of the week over Allen and it’s not close. 

Agree with you here to a certain degree.  Remember verges source isnt linked to the panthers.

Every team has players higher than other on their boards.  Also his guy is giving what they think the panthers will do.  Which, while maybe  a better guess than ours, its still a guess in some form.  But really only Marty and those inside BOA have a real idea of who we're drafting.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I’d be highly skeptical of anyone who has Burns not as a first round grade and Allen with a first round grade.

I wouldn't.

And not because I feel a certain way about the prospects in question mind you, but because I know team evaluations vary wildly.

You have to figure in things like scheme / system, coaching preferences, scouting experience, etc.  Any one or all of those things can cause major differences of opinion on a given player, and there's generally not as much consensus on many guys as fans perceive.

We figure pro scouts all look at a certain player a certain way, but that's rarely true.

That's why you get draft surprises every year.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I think you are right.  With a few teams needing a QB having  multiple picks in the first, it could  get crazy-- Mayock with 3 first rounders will be fun to watch.

 

If you're Arizona and Oakland comes calling offering #4, #24, and #27 for #1 do you take it? That'd be getting 3220 for your 3000 according to the draft pick value chart. I think it boils down to what they think of Rosen. If they think he really does have potential, I think you take that deal and let them have Murray. If you think Rosen is a bust, you gotta take the QB prospect that your new head coach is in love with.

[bababoey]

15 minutes ago, stbugs said:

True just mentioning the 1st round grade details Verge has posted. I’d be highly skeptical of anyone who has Burns not as a first round grade and Allen with a first round grade. Simple as that.

If I was a 3-4 and I wanted a 5 tech DE I would think Allen might be the #1 guy on the list.  There are 4-3 ends that are better than him at alot of things but they can't hold up to a double team the way he can.  I could see him as a first round guy if that was my defense.  He is one of those jack of all trades master of none kind of guys.

[rippadonn]

6'5 285 DE out if college. He'll automatically be ahead of all those DE's that need to bulk up but never do. I agree with the scout. I'd be surprised to see that guy slip past the 2nd.

There will be a run on DE's this draft before 16. Bet on it. Like I've said before, the same reasons you love Burns at 16 is the same reasons they'll love him at 14-15.