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Some notes from my source involving the NFL draft

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8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well what do you define as "immediate impact?" If you can define some benchmark stats(sacks, QB rushes, games started, tackles, forced fumbles, etc, etc, etc) then I can put up a list. Do you want to limit it to the first round or basically 16th through end of draft? How many years do you want to go back?

I was just thinking pressures, starts, sacks, TFL....and I think we should stick with this era...so maybe over the last 10 years?

I don't think for a second that Ron is actually going to mix things up with 4/3 and 3/4....so I didn't really want to include pass rushing LB's that really wouldn't fit our scheme...really just hands in the dirt DE's.

Maybe even through the 2nd round as well.  I'll start looking into it as well today.

 

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13 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I was just thinking pressures, starts, sacks, TFL....and I think we should stick with this era...so maybe over the last 10 years?

I don't think for a second that Ron is actually going to mix things up with 4/3 and 3/4....so I didn't really want to include pass rushing LB's that really wouldn't fit our scheme...really just hands in the dirt DE's.

Maybe even through the 2nd round as well.  I'll start looking into it as well today.

 

Pressure might be hard to come by. Is there a good source for individual QB pressure information that isn't behind a paywall?

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4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Pressure might be hard to come by. Is there a good source for individual QB pressure information that isn't behind a paywall?

Yea, its gonna be hard.  May be easier to just list the DE's that have gone in the 1st and 2nd after 15, and see how they stack up.

I may just start a new thread real quick on it, and see what everyone thinks.

 

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2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Yea, its gonna be hard.  May be easier to just list the DE's that have gone in the 1st and 2nd after 15, and see how they stack up.

 

I could use Pro Football References AV(Approximate Value) metric and base it all on whether they had equal to or above the average for top 15 DE's over that 10 year period. That might be a clean way to do it, although using a metric instead of raw stats.

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44 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Yea, its gonna be hard.  May be easier to just list the DE's that have gone in the 1st and 2nd after 15, and see how they stack up.

I may just start a new thread real quick on it, and see what everyone thinks.

 

It can’t be many. Only one that sticks out is Carl Lawson and that’s only because he should be on our team along with Eddie Jackson instead of the ghost of Dashawn Hall. 

Dove too deep. Lawson is a 4th. So he’s out. 

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11 minutes ago, Toomers said:

It can’t be many. Only one that sticks out is Carl Lawson and that’s only because he should be on our team along with Eddie Jackson instead of the ghost of Dashawn Hall. 

Dove too deep. Lawson is a 4th. So he’s out. 

Just posted the names in it's own thread.

I didn't go back and break down size of the player, or the stats.  Just the names to see how many hits there are vs. misses.

I haven't even looked it over really well yet, but it's not that pretty just from the feeling I got typing the names out.

 

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2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Just posted the names in it's own thread.

I didn't go back and break down size of the player, or the stats.  Just the names to see how many hits there are vs. misses.

I haven't even looked it over really well yet, but it's not that pretty just from the feeling I got typing the names out.

 

I am working on a spreadsheet now. I will add it to your thread. Also, I am only basing this on Pro-Football-Reference listings. If they are listed as a DE or a DE/OLB, I included them.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

I am working on a spreadsheet now. I will add it to your thread. Also, I am only basing this on Pro-Football-Reference listings. If they are listed as a DE or a DE/OLB, I included them.

Thanks.  Looking through the names....and I haven't even really broken it all down yet...but it ain't pretty so far.  At least not when you are talking about impact player vs. ALL the misses.

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22 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Just posted the names in it's own thread.

I didn't go back and break down size of the player, or the stats.  Just the names to see how many hits there are vs. misses.

I haven't even looked it over really well yet, but it's not that pretty just from the feeling I got typing the names out.

 

  Knew there wasn’t many cause I couldn’t think of any right off. I want Wilkins anyhow...LOL

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  Knew there wasn’t many cause I couldn’t think of any right off. I want Wilkins anyhow...LOL

This draft could be different as it's very heavy at a few different positions, but man....that list of names makes me nervous as hell.

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If anyone is interested, we collaborated on a way too early mock top 10 draft without trades: 

1. ARI: Kyler Murray, QB, OKL 
2. SF: Quinnen Williams, DL, ALA 
3. NYJ (Trade up spot for a qb): Nick Bosa, DE, OHST 
4. OAK: Josh Allen, DE, KEN 
5. TB: Montez Sweat, DE, MSST 
6. NYG: Daniel Jones, QB, DUKE 
7. JAX: DK Metcalf, WR, OLM
8. DET: Rashan Gary, DE, MICH (Heard they like Ed Oliver a lot too) 
9. BUF: Jawaan Taylor, T, FLO 
10. DEN: Andre Dillard, T, WS

16. CAR: Garret Bradbury, C, NCST

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We haven't been talking much as he has obviously been pretty busy, but here are some tidbits I've been able to squeak out: 
He is expecting Haskins to fall out of the top 5 


There is some serious hype around Hakeem Butler, and he is expecting him to compete to be the second/third receiver off the board


Daniel Jones pro day solidified his grade as QB2 in the draft, though some have Lock rated higher


To go along with that, there are teams out there that have a crazy grade on Lock, and he thinks teams may be eager to jump way up to get him

One you guys probably already know, Brian Burns to Carolina is making a lot of noise within the scouting circle, though he said he still thinks they will go o-line or defensive tackle in the first, thought it contradicts his earlier statement about them not really being all in on edge in the first 

Josh Jacobs has a grade similar to Ezekiel Elliot, and will not drop to 20 or lower 

Chargers are showing their hand with Ryan Finley and he expects them to trade up for him 

Will Grier is gaining momentum from a 6th round pick to what looks like possibly a 3rd round or earlier guy, blew teams away with his game knowledge 

Devin White is gaining steam as a trade up target early in the first round

 




 

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