Matt Kalil a panther in 2019?

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Didnt say pay, I said it would cost more to cut him then to pay him. Which is 100% true unless it's a June 1st cut. You jumped to conclusions without reading my post because you've already made your mind up on the matter. 

Look up the definition of "cost" before trying to play the semantics game.

[carpanfan96]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Look up the definition of "cost" before trying to play the semantics game.

Nearly 15m in dead cap to cut him compared to salary and bonuses that are 12m, so it would in fact cost the team a little over 2m to cut him outright. All facts, sorry. They also only have a handful of days left to make this decision because if hes on the roster in a few days his salary for 2019 becomes fully guaranteed. Right now it's only guaranteed for injury. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Nearly 15m in dead cap to cut him compared to salary and bonuses that are 12m, so it would in fact cost the team a little over 2m to cut him outright. All facts, sorry. They also only have a handful of days left to make this decision because if hes on the roster in a few days his salary for 2019 becomes fully guaranteed. 

So you didn't look up the definition of cost...

[beastson]

Already killed any enthusiasm with this poo.

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So you didn't look up the definition of cost...

Dude do you understand guaranteed for injury? if hes cut for injury his cap hit goes up his salary and that bis salary has to be paid no matter what. it would be on the team to prove he can still play even though they are cutting him for injury. So if I'm using his real contract values and the team does what everyone wants and they cut him while he's recovering from an injury that could end his career the cap hit would go from 15m to 22m this season. 

[Krovvy]

At least wait until after the draft to start freaking out about not cutting Matt Kalil.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

At least wait until after the draft to start freaking out about not cutting Matt Kalil.

And hand him another year and $7 million more to sit on the bench or worse get Cam killed again? 

How about Hell no. Thanks tho

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Dude do you understand guaranteed for injury? if hes cut for injury his cap hit goes up his salary and that bis salary has to be paid no matter what. it would be on the team to prove he can still play even though they are cutting him for injury. So if I'm using his real contract values and the team does what everyone wants and they cut him while he's recovering from an injury that could end his career the cap hit would go from 15m to 22m this season. 

I'd put the odds at slim to none that he's still recovering from a knee scope from last preseason. In fact, I think it's highly likely that he wasn't activated from IR for the primary reason of protecting his health to make an offseason release a possibility.

In any case, it would be up to Kalil and his agent to file a grievance and then a neutral doctor would decide. 

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

At least wait until after the draft to start freaking out about not cutting Matt Kalil.

As noted in this thread, it becomes an issue far sooner than that.

[NYPantherFan]

It literally does no good for the Panthers to make a decision on Kalil at this point in time. If he is a June 1st cut, then the money saved isnt available until June 2nd anyways. Its probably best to keep him as an insurance option until after the draft/FA if they dont land a LT that way. See if he has anything during OTAs/Minicamp and go from there.

If I were Hurney, that's the route I'd go. I'd probably end up cutting him in an attempt to use the savings as cap roll over into next year. That's really the only true benefit of cutting him since the dead cap will be the same next year whether or not we cut him this year or next.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, NYPantherFan said:

It literally does no good for the Panthers to make a decision on Kalil at this point in time. If he is a June 1st cut, then the money saved isnt available until June 2nd anyways. Its probably best to keep him as an insurance option until after the draft/FA if they dont land a LT that way. See if he has anything during OTAs/Minicamp and go from there.

If I were Hurney, that's the route I'd go. I'd probably end up cutting him in an attempt to use the savings as cap roll over into next year. That's really the only true benefit of cutting him since the dead cap will be the same next year whether or not we cut him this year or next.

I agree that it does not good to make the decision NOW, but they do have to make the decision by March 15th.

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

3 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

The Roaring Riot posted an interesting article yesterday on the case for Kalil being on the roster in 2019 and why cutting him now might not be the best move....

https://theriotreport.com/the-case-for-matt-kalil/

Yeah I read that also.   I said it about 2 months ago.  Our Starting LT will be Speedbump McGee in 2019 wether we like it or not.  

I predict we go defense in the 1st round and pick up a developmental Tackle in the draft.  Also we are not resigning Williams. 

The RR article is very good. For those of you not clicking over and reading it, the cliff's notes version is that Williams isn't really that much better than Kalil and would likely cost more. It suggests that we leave Moton at RT where he is awesome, and throw a mediocre Matt Kalil at LT. The article doesn't attempt to defend Kalil's talent vs. contract (quite the opposite), but says we're basically stuck with him at this point. "This debate shouldn’t be about whether Kalil is worth his salary, but rather whether he is worth the $7.25m they will save by cutting him – and who the starting tackles will be next year will be if he’s gone".

I personally hope that Bubba is wrong and we get lucky enough to draft a day 1 starting LT. That would give us the flexibility to still cut Kalil post 6/1 or use him as an overpriced back up.

[Icege]

As much as I would like to see DWill retained, I just don't see it happening. Coming off of a rough injury with already questionable knees is tough, but what gets me the most is the Kalil contract.

I've allowed myself to dream that the team would commit to eating the dead cap, but I just don't see paying a serviceable player an extra 9.8M of next year's cap space to save 7.25M this season. Cutting him next season to free up 11M at the expense of 4.9M in cap space the following year just makes sense. Moton has already proved to be able to hold down the right side with Turner, and I believe the more pressing need on the line presently is a center. 

[Krovvy]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

And hand him another year and $7 million more to sit on the bench or worse get Cam killed again? 

How about Hell no. Thanks tho

Then cut him, and give away that the Panthers are targeting a tackle in the first round, whatever. I've always hated the Matt Kalil signing, said it was an awful contract, absurd, and wanted Andrew Whitworth at the time.