Antonio Brown new team projections

[LinvilleGorge]

40 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If he weren't a nut case, why would the Steelers want to get rid of him?

This.

[Panthers8969]

I’d rather have someone like TO who was a “locker room cancer” but never (someone check) sat out a must win week 17 game. 

[kungfoodude]

55 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not me. Not if that pass rusher was Demarcus Lawrence.

Demarcus Lawrence is not worth what Antonio Brown's remaining three seasons are going to pay him. His 2019 salary cap hit alone is almost $3 million more than the highest paid 3-4 or 4-3 DE in the NFL(not including 2019 Free Agency contracts). The only pass rushers in the ball park would be Von Miller and Khalil Mack. Not only is Demarcus Lawrence not the level of player those guys are but we would essentially be nuking our salary cap. 

I really have zero desire to have Lawrence predominately because he is going to command some insane cap figure that he will very likely never live up to. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Demarcus Lawrence is not worth what Antonio Brown's remaining three seasons are going to pay him. His 2019 salary cap hit alone is almost $3 million more than the highest paid 3-4 or 4-3 DE in the NFL(not including 2019 Free Agency contracts). The only pass rushers in the ball park would be Von Miller and Khalil Mack. Not only is Demarcus Lawrence not the level of player those guys are but we would essentially be nuking our salary cap. 

I really have zero desire to have Lawrence predominately because he is going to command some insane cap figure that he will very likely never live up to. 

For a trade, don't look at his cap hit, just his base salary. The Steelers would have to eat his bonus money. Not sure about his "restructure" money. Either way, he'd hit a new team for considerably less than his current cap hit.

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

For a trade, don't look at his cap hit, just his base salary. The Steelers would have to eat his bonus money. Not sure about his "restructure" money. Either way, he'd hit a new team for considerably less than his current cap hit.

That depends on when they traded him, how much of it is prorated bonuses already owed, etc. It isn't as cut and dried as that they would owe all the $9.5 mil in bonuses and his new team wouldn't be on the hook for any of it. Hypothetically, if we removed all of that for the remainder of his contract then I would agree that Lawrence would be worth $11.5-12.5 mil. 

[jfra78]

the only reason the media links him to us is that Cam and him are friends.  I think thats a stretch and the Panthers have more glaring holes to fill than WR.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

the only reason the media links him to us is that Cam and him are friends.  I think thats a stretch and the Panthers have more glaring holes to fill than WR.

And Tepper was a partial owner of Pitt...Seems like tossing crap against the wall to see what sticks. I believe 3 teams have actually inquired about him, if any of the reporting is to believed. That's inquired let alone with any serious intent. That's a lot of cap and some compensation for a guy that sat out a game. I agree with you. This stuff just seems to be filler for the dead part of the season. 

[panthers55]

Before everyone keeps crapping on the idea consider that there is speculation that perhaps a third rounder offer may land him with how he has poisoned the water. And our cost to have him would be roughly 12 million a year. The Steelers still have to pick up the guaranteed money. So looking back who went for 12 million as a receiver last off-season when WRs were getting a  premium. 

Honestly we integrated Reid into the mix with few problems. I think we could handle Brown. Cam won't be doing a Roethlisburger on him. The more I think about it, he could be the missing piece to having a top 5 offense this year if Cam is healthy. I am once again taking the contrarian approach but I am warming up to the idea.

As for a new contract just make it incentive based over his salary. He wants guaranteed money we want guaranteed production.  He actually isn't in a position to demand much.

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm not all that concerned about Brown being a locker room issue. I'm really concerned that our pass rush is depleted and if we added a guy like Brown we'd have no way to address it. Not to mention OT. We either have to re-sign Daryl Williams or somehow acquire another starting OT this off-season. Also not to mention FS and nickelback.

[panthers55]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not all that concerned about Brown being a locker room issue. I'm really concerned that our pass rush is depleted and if we added a guy like Brown we'd have no way to address it. Not to mention OT. We either have to re-sign Daryl Williams or somehow acquire another starting OT this off-season. Also not to mention FS and nickelback.

If we signed Brown to a long range contract it would be cap friendly year 1 and 2. He is replacing Funchess and Smith. So he would cost Smith's 5 million and Kalil's June 1 cut 7 million. How does that kill all of our plans and keep us from signing other FAs 

[jfra78]

40 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Before everyone keeps crapping on the idea consider that there is speculation that perhaps a third rounder offer may land him with how he has poisoned the water. And our cost to have him would be roughly 12 million a year. The Steelers still have to pick up the guaranteed money. So looking back who went for 12 million as a receiver last off-season when WRs were getting a  premium. 

Honestly we integrated Reid into the mix with few problems. I think we could handle Brown. Cam won't be doing a Roethlisburger on him. The more I think about it, he could be the missing piece to having a top 5 offense this year if Cam is healthy. I am once again taking the contrarian approach but I am warming up to the idea.

As for a new contract just make it incentive based over his salary. He wants guaranteed money we want guaranteed production.  He actually isn't in a position to demand much.

I am not opposed to the idea, but it would just be a 1 year thing. If it gets us a SB next year the  great.  Are we 1 player away?

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If we signed Brown to a long range contract it would be cap friendly year 1 and 2. He is replacing Funchess and Smith. So he would cost Smith's 5 million and Kalil's June 1 cut 7 million. How does that kill all of our plans and keep us from signing other FAs 

Not interested in signing a 30 year old WR to a long-term backloaded contract. If we add Brown I'll be hopeful, but my strong preference would be to use the cap space to shore up roster positions that are in much worse shape than WR.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I am not opposed to the idea, but it would just be a 1 year thing. If it gets us a SB next year the  great.  Are we 1 player away?

No, we are not one player away, unfortunately. 

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not interested in signing a 30 year old WR to a long-term backloaded contract. If we add Brown I'll be hopeful, but my strong preference would be to use the cap space to shore up roster positions that are in much worse shape than WR.

I agree he isn't a necessity but for someone saying Cam needs weapons, I would think you would be on the Brown train.