FA intro draft strategy

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, Waldo said:

The offseasons since 2016 have been a huge mess. There are bright spots but the overall direction and capabilities of the people in charge should absolutely be questioned and not trusted. Losing JR's touch helped but he left people with bad habits, philosophies and terrible player evaluations in charge and Tepper hasn't added much to the mix other than keeping said people on their toes. That mixed with the huge removal of JR's influence and enabling of mediocrity doesn't equal a positive change for River's or Hurney's operating strategy, it's just treading water until they need to be bailed out and we all get to see if Tepper is an enabler too. This offseason would be a huge win if we just don't do anything that will cripple us in the future. Sign a Olineman (center please) and a DE with contracts we can eat next year if they bust. Last year's FAs can all be cut without using the June 1st designation next year. 

It is a very legitimate question to ask what the hell Kalil is still doing on the team. There is no good reason he hasn't been June 1st out of the organization. Is there any strategy to wait on this?

His 7M salary for this year is guaranteed for injury only. I’m sure this means he has to pass a physical at a closer date around the deadline of 3/15/19. 

  This is really the only logical reason he didn’t come back last year at all. He actually gets hurt and we would be screwed. And not the “menstrual cramps” he just missed a season over. 

[Waldo]

Just now, Toomers said:

His 7M salary for this year is guaranteed for injury only. I’m sure this means he has to pass a physical at a closer date around the deadline of 3/15/19. 

  This is really the only logical reason he didn’t come back last year at all. He actually gets hurt and we would be screwed. And not the “menstrual cramps” he just missed a season over. 

So what would be the strategy there? He doesn't pass a physical and his guaranteed money is voided?

[Toomers]

Just now, Waldo said:

So what would be the strategy there? He doesn't pass a physical and his guaranteed money is voided?

He doesn’t pass a physical and we owe him 7M. He passes, we can do whatever we want with him. Unless he gets Dr. Phil, there are s no legit injury that should be an issue. 

[LinvilleGorge]

35 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Where did I sugar coat anything? I’m talking total amount we will pay. $55m for Kalil isn’t true anymore now that we’ve heard he’s going to be cut. Kalil will cost us $25m. Bad move, but you guys are trying to sugar coat Hurney 2.0 as if he hasn’t spent more than Gettleman and as far as I can tell he actually will. Do you really think we will release Greg or redo the contract to lower the cap and extend cap into the future? I’m not willing to bet we’ll dump him or Gano. Poe, sure. I’d dump him now. So call it $63.5m.

You're sugarcoating by assuming how long we'll carry players without actually looking at the numbers to see if it makes sense. Kalil will be by far the biggest dead money we'll have to eat on any of these signings.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Dead cap is meaningless. It’s 2 years and $25m, not $55. If Hurney didn’t want the dead cap he didn’t have to switch that option. The first two cap hits for Kalil were $10m total. On an $11m per year deal of course it’s a big cap hit because $15m of the first $25m was prorated.

You could say his first two years were very cap friendly as well. With the rollover it doesn’t really matter as much.

I still don’t think I’m sugar coating much at all. Kalil, Shepard and Munnerlyn cost $38m for 3.5 years of starts. We’ve already spent or are guaranteed to spend $43m on Greg (assuming only 2019), Gano (assuming only 2018 and 2019) and for you only 1 year Poe, Smith, Searcy and Cockrell. So, comparing apples to apples Hurney spent more for basically the same result. We’ve gotten less than a bad year from Gano, maybe a year from Greg, 17 receptions from Smith and 1 year of terrible play from Poe. All for $5 more. Again, no sugar coating since I’m assuming we’ll cut bait as soon as we can in these deals and extensions.

Only Greg Olsen is considered a possible stud if he somehow plays a full season, which he hasn’t been close to since 2016 and we’ve got Thomas now so again it was an extension after an injury plagued year when we didn’t need to extend him and now $12m guaranteed over two years to somehow who might play a couple games again.

Dead cap is absolutely not meaningless. That's money against the cap for literally nothing in return.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

22 hours ago, stbugs said:

I’m really scared at how well people think Hurley navigated FA and I’m including Smith in this bucket. That trade was to get Smith prior to him being released.

In 1 offseason (FA was pretty much wrapped in 2017), he’s cost us:

$14m extra over 4 years with a Gano extension instead of Butker

$17m ($12 guaranteed) extension to Olsen and his 44 receptions in 2017 and 2018. Didn’t need to extend him prior to 2018.

$28m to Dontari Poe

$5m to Smith and god knows I am making a big assumption that he will be released because $5m for 17 receptions is a wee bit much and we shouldn’t pay Smith $10m over two years

$7m to Cockrell (I’ll assume he will play for us this year)

$2.5m to Searcy, again assuming he’s gone as well

That’s $73.5m in cap space. We cry a lot over Matt Kalil’s total cost of $25m, but Hurney has cost us a ton already. He’s been very bad in FA whether our FAs or other team’s.

He nailed a 3 down 5 to UNLV! How could you forget this? Other than NC States win against Houston, probably the best game ever played.

[imminent rogaine]

Spend all of the money and bring in Tyrann Matthieu, Matt Paradis, and Za’darius Smith. Smith plays OLB in their 3-4 but his size and play style make it look like he could transition well. 

Still draft DE in the first two. Maybe think about o-line, DT (considering butler, Poe, and love are likely not around too much longer), and LB.

[WarPanthers89]

22 hours ago, Raleigh PF said:

I'd rather prioritize the FA money to solidify the OLine. Sign Matt Paradis to play center and re-sign Williams. All of the sudden, the offense is no longer an issue and the rest of FA and draft can be spent shoring up the defense.

THIS!!!