Jake Peetz named new RB coach

[Moo Daeng]

Jim Skipper started his coaching career as a defensive backs coach. He played DB in college 

[Moo Daeng]

Gettlemans RB coach was a long time QB coach in college and the NFL. Nearly all of his 35 years as a coach was working with QBs. 24 years of 35 total.

[Mr. Scot]

6 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

RPO, this is just final proof that Tepper is a fuging idiot. The Panthers post Chudzinski have continued to abuse Cam Newton for nearly a decade. The one prize we got out of the old lecher Jerry Richardson's 2010 plan was Cam. And Rivera has continued to pound him into injury after injury. Through ankles, feet, and shoulder injuries. Maybe Cam will recover maybe not but these incompetent @holes are preparing to abuse an MVP caliber talent for yet another NFL campaign.

I remember the Cam Newton who broke all of Peyton Mannings' rookie records. 

Cam is a generational talent. Until Richardson, Hurney,  Rivera and now apparently Tepper are purged completely from this franchise, Cam newton will continue to be under estimated and under achieve in this deep south old crony good old boy franchise.

Not a fan, for sure.

[Peon Awesome]

On 2/21/2019 at 12:31 AM, MasterAwesome said:

So you’re saying we shouldn’t trust Rivera’s judgment because he thought Washington would be a good Defensive Coordinator and promoted him....but then you acknowledge that most everyone on the Huddle (including you) was excited for the Washington promotion and thought he would be a good defensive coordinator....therefore you’re also calling into question the judgment of everyone on the Huddle, which would undermine every opinion on every hire that you and everyone else lays out. You’re calling into question his JUDGMENT...the same judgment that he shared with everyone in here...the only difference is that he had the power to actually make it happen. Every time you and everyone else in here roll your eyes at a Rivera coaching hire, I’m just gonna say “I’m sorry but you expect me to respect the opinion of someone who thought Eric Washington would be a good defensive coordinator? Riiiiight....”.

You can’t call Rivera an idiot for making a decision that everyone was unanimously behind, without also calling everyone else an idiot including yourself. Washington was a good candidate for that promotion and earned his opportunity. Turns out he isn’t a great fit for defensive coordinator...oh well, it happens. Doesn’t make it a stupid decision to have promoted him. Do you judge a GM solely by every one of his failed draft picks too? Or is that kind of treatment reserved for Ron?

Seriously...saying Ron has terrible judgment cause he hired/promoted Mike Shula, Eric Washington, and Richard Rodgers is wayyyy more of a stretch than saying something like Gettleman was a terrible drafter because he drafted Kelvin Benjamin, Shaq Thompson, and Vernon Butler in the first round in three consecutive drafts. Except I know you would never validate that opinion because your rationale is entirely predicated upon double standards and biases.

Don’t give me that crap about Rivera waiting too long to demote Washington. Rivera was crucified for hanging onto Mike Shula for so long (perhaps rightfully so) and this time, he demotes Washington less than one full season into his FIRST year as defensive coordinator...tell me how many times that happens? In NFL terms, that is considered incredibly quick for taking action. In the real world, you don’t demote the first-year defensive coordinator of a 7-3 team. But then again, you supported the Eric Washington hire so how am I supposed to take you seriously?

 

Also I have no idea what you’re getting at with your last paragraph...that doesn’t align with anything I’ve said anywhere. So I’m gonna assume you were responding to someone else.

Excellent points. The truth is, Mr. Scot's smartest rebuttal would have been "It's true, the Huddle including myself, don't really know what we're talking about but we're not paid millions with the expectation that we can do that job well. Ron Rivera should be held to an infinitely higher standard." 

The problem with admitting that is that it requires humility to admit that we don't have the insight and intelligence to be making our posts with any kind of authority. Almost everything we say is uninformed, mostly ignorant and meaningless speculation. And that's fine. People discuss things because it is entertaining to talk with people of likeminds about mutual interests. So let's not pretend this forum is anything more than that because your narcissism is showing.

[MasterAwesome]

3 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Excellent points. The truth is, Mr. Scot's smartest rebuttal would have been "It's true, the Huddle including myself, don't really know what we're talking about but we're not paid millions with the expectation that we can do that job well. Ron Rivera should be held to an infinitely higher standard." 

The problem with admitting that is that it requires humility to admit that we don't have the insight and intelligence to be making our posts with any kind of authority. Almost everything we say is uninformed, mostly ignorant and meaningless speculation. And that's fine. People discuss things because it is entertaining to talk with people of likeminds about mutual interests. So let's not pretend this forum is anything more than that because your narcissism is showing.

To me, that would have been an easy deflection but not a valid rebuttal. You don’t get to trash a guy for making a decision that you whole-heartedly supported...that completely undermines your integrity. Regardless of whether he’s getting paid millions or not, the audacity to unironically and repeatedly say something like “You trust the guy who promoted Eric Washington?” to discredit and undermine his judgment when you yourself were one of the biggest advocates of that same decision...that is just mind-blowing delusion. If it weren’t for the mods AKA Politics Police in here, I’d tell you the only other person I’ve seen exhibiting that level of delusion and, as you put it, narcissism.

It takes a real coward and a small man to cherry pick decisions like that after the fact to go after someone you don’t like...once you go down that slippery slope, you can use that to justify anyone being terrible at anything.

If you want to criticize someone’s decision, you give your reasoning as to why it was an ill-advised  decision for him to make at that time (e.g. someone is unqualified, poor work ethic, limited resume, unknowedgable, etc.)...not “oh cause it didn’t work out”. That hindsight revisionist stuff, again, is for cowards.

[mc52beast]

Don’t think he’s just being hired to coach CMC, he has a record of being involved in the total offense and has had success with qb’s. Could be Turner’s replacement in the future 

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Don’t think he’s just being hired to coach CMC, he has a record of being involved in the total offense and has had success with qb’s. Could be Turner’s replacement in the future 

Turner's replacement is his son.

Seriously doubt he'd allow anybody that would be serious competition for that spot to be added to the staff.

[Peon Awesome]

4 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

If you want to criticize someone’s decision, you give your reasoning as to why it was an ill-advised  decision for him to make at that time (e.g. someone is unqualified, poor work ethic, limited resume, unknowedgable, etc.)...not “oh cause it didn’t work out”. That hindsight revisionist stuff, again, is for cowards.

REALLY good point. I think that's why Mr. Scot hasn't been able to formulate a legitimate response to your question. At some point, you need to be willing to say "That's a good point. Didn't think about it that way. Thanks for offering a fresh prespective." Sad that that seems to be so rare here. People's egos are too big. Just look at our president to understand how toxic that can be.

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

REALLY good point. I think that's why Mr. Scot hasn't been able to formulate a legitimate response to your question. At some point, you need to be willing to say "That's a good point. Didn't think about it that way. Thanks for offering a fresh prespective." Sad that that seems to be so rare here. People's egos are too big. Just look at our president to understand how toxic that can be.

You said it yourself in your previous post: 99% of Huddlers are here to talk with people of likeminds. Most Huddlers are very close-minded and are only here to hear other people parrot their mostly ill-informed, negative opinions about how everyone and everything sucks. If you’re not convinced, just grab a pitchfork, go into any random thread, and post something along the lines of “Rivera suxx. Hurney is poop! GaNOPE = trashhhh. *Insert name of random towelboy hire* is too unqualified and must be Rivera’s nephew” and then use that pitchfork of yours to dig into all that pie you’re gonna receive. Doesn’t have to be insightful or bring a unique perspective on the topic...just a simple random “Rivera sucks” in a thread about the AAF league or favorite Netflix sitcoms is probably good for 5 or 6 pies. If you want more, just think of a more clever or humorous way to phrase that, while retaining the same message.

Contrarians who formulate their arguments based on logic and facts are not popular around here. You’ll have better luck having a civilized and enlightened discussion about politics on Facebook than about anything Panthers related in here.

[panthers55]

The whole argument that using an RPO going forward will kill Cam is really overblown. Cam ran a total of 100 times or 7 times a game in 14 games in 2018. If we assume that 3 of those a game were unplanned scrambles that means he ran 4 times a game deliberately. That hardly will ruin Cam especially when he is the only guy on the offense that can avoid a hit simply by taking a slide. The RPO is Cam's bread and butter and what he knows best. We put it in place because of Cam not to ruin him. Without the RPO Cam becomes average at best surely not a generational talent. His ability to run and pass is what makes him a generational talent. His success as a rookie was predicated on no one having film on him or Chud. The idea that he is even a top 10 QB as a pure passer is ludicrous to anyone not a Cam fan. Even with carreer highs in completion percentages he ended up 16th in passer rating.

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

On 2/21/2019 at 11:46 PM, panthers55 said:

Seems to me this could be more of a Norv hire, instead of a Rivera hire

I also thought this. I hope Norv gets the reigns on the offensive side of the ball and RR truly leads the defensive side. I'm trying to be optimistic. 

[Moo Daeng]

On 2/23/2019 at 6:33 AM, panthers55 said:

The whole argument that using an RPO going forward will kill Cam is really overblown. Cam ran a total of 100 times or 7 times a game in 14 games in 2018. If we assume that 3 of those a game were unplanned scrambles that means he ran 4 times a game deliberately. That hardly will ruin Cam especially when he is the only guy on the offense that can avoid a hit simply by taking a slide. The RPO is Cam's bread and butter and what he knows best. We put it in place because of Cam not to ruin him. Without the RPO Cam becomes average at best surely not a generational talent. His ability to run and pass is what makes him a generational talent. His success as a rookie was predicated on no one having film on him or Chud. The idea that he is even a top 10 QB as a pure passer is ludicrous to anyone not a Cam fan. Even with carreer highs in completion percentages he ended up 16th in passer rating.

RPO is not the option between QB run and pass. Its between handoff and pass. Different things and the RPO doesnt put Newton in any jeopardy at all.

 

Cone on people. Try to understand just a little.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/the-rpo-was-born-in-high-school-and-took-over-college-now-its-the-nfls-favorite-play/2018/08/16/8fd6953c-a155-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html?utm_term=.7d6606168b4c

[panthers55]

10 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

RPO is not the option between QB run and pass. Its between handoff and pass. Different things and the RPO doesnt put Newton in any jeopardy at all.

 

Cone on people. Try to understand just a little.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/the-rpo-was-born-in-high-school-and-took-over-college-now-its-the-nfls-favorite-play/2018/08/16/8fd6953c-a155-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html?utm_term=.7d6606168b4c

Our version of the RPO does include the quarterback running the ball  as well as handing it off or passing it. There are different options based on your player's skill sets but your are wrong to say that an RPO doesn't include the QB running.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/02/04/what-does-rpo-mean&ved=2ahUKEwjAtNqis9TgAhWxmOAKHbJkCNgQFjACegQIDxAP&usg=AOvVaw2PyNQOH2XrkukLsIRphf69&ampcf=1

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/12/5/17641040/run-pass-option-history-future-explained

 

[Devil Doc]

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