Jake Peetz named new RB coach

[KSpan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Had to look him up. Has never been a runningback coach.

Guy like Kirby Wilson available...You don't at least give him a call?

Who says they didn't?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, KSpan said:

Who says they didn't?

I can be sure they didn't, because I thought Wilson was a free agent but he wasn't. He signed with the Raiders.

[Mage]

5 hours ago, Waldo said:

Lolz how lazy. Any warm bodies that need a coaching gig?

Lol yeah cause I’m sure you’ve heard of every position coach in the NFL.

[panthers55]

Well if the huddle experts haven't heard of him and don't give their approval, then they must suck. Because they know more than our head coach and could do a better job.

[Mage]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This guy has experience as a position coach...for quarterbacks.

A few years ago, Andy Reid made Juan Castillo his defensive coordinator. Castillo had never been anything but an offensive line coach, but Reid figured since he was a smart guy, he could make the adjustment.

That decision helped get them both fired.

The idea is to ascend up the ladder. That's how it works, but generally speaking you have to at least have some qualification for the position.

If you wanted to make this guy the assistant runningbacks coach and hire someone with experience to be the full-fledged runningbacks coach, I could get behind that.

Handing him the keys to what's become one of our most important positions? Not so much.

Belichick went from special teams coach to linebackers coach to defensive coordinator.  Andy Reid was once both a offensive line and tight end coach.  Josh McDaniels was once a defensive assistant.  And that's just three big names off top of my head.  Coaches coach different positions/groups all the time.

Hell, Jim Skipper was a DBs coach for some in college.

[Mage]

Rivera hires an experienced retread?  "Typical Rivera.  Not willing to go outside of the box."

Rivera does what another poster literally suggested above and hires someone as an assistant so they can learn and go up the ladder?  "Wow, Rivera playing favorites and loyalty.  Typical Rivera."

Rivera hires a young outside mind from a strong program.  "He has no experience."

 

[Waldo]

21 minutes ago, Mage said:

Lol yeah cause I’m sure you’ve heard of every position coach in the NFL.

Wasn't in the NFL, doing non coaching at Alabama but I'm sure you proved some kind of point in your head.

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, Mage said:

Belichick went from special teams coach to linebackers coach to defensive coordinator.  Andy Reid was once both a offensive line and tight end coach.  Josh McDaniels was once a defensive assistant.  Coaches coach different positions/groups all the time.

Belichick's progression is a pretty natural one, actually.

As to Reid, OL and TE coaches switch off a lot. Our old OC Jeff Davidson did both in his career. And you're talking about McDaniels at the start of his career when he was just assistant level. plus, I'd throw in that you're talking about guys who have excelled at pretty much every level.

Do we have any evidence that this guy has stood out anywhere?

[Mage]

Just now, Waldo said:

Wasn't in the NFL, doing non coaching at Alabama but I'm sure you proved some kind of point in your head.

Your post implied you wanted him to hire someone you had heard of.  And I'm saying I doubt you have heard of 99% of the position coaches in the NFL, so why does it matter?  You act as if he hasn't coached in the NFL before, which he has.  

And where do you think coaches come from?  They have to start somewhere.  Who cares if he was in college?  Nobody complained when we hired Lance Taylor.

[Mage]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Do we have any evidence that this guy has stood out anywhere?

Do you have any evidence that 99% of position coaches stood out anywhere before they were hired for their first big job?  What a ridiculous question.  

You are complaining about a minuscule "issue".  Coaches have to start out somewhere.

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Neither had Zimmer.

"Experience" doesn't necessarily mean "head coaching experience".

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

This guy has experience as a position coach...for quarterbacks.

A few years ago, Andy Reid made Juan Castillo his defensive coordinator. Castillo had never been anything but an offensive line coach, but Reid figured since he was a smart guy, he could make the adjustment.

That decision helped get them both fired.

The idea is to ascend up the ladder. That's how it works, but generally speaking you have to at least have some qualification for the position.

If you wanted to make this guy the assistant runningbacks coach and hire someone with experience to be the full-fledged runningbacks coach, I could get behind that.

Handing him the keys to what's become one of our most important positions? Not so much.

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're saying we should just have faith that the guy whose history includes naming Mike Shula, Eric Washington and Richard Rodgers to our major coordinator positions knows what he's doing?

Yeah, sure...

So....by your own logic, why are you constantly trashing Rivera’s decision to promote Washington to Defensive Coordinator? You think 7 largely successful seasons as our d-line coach (arguably the most important part of a defense) doesn’t qualify him as having:

a) Ascended up the ladder, and

b) Some qualification for the position

?

Or are you really gonna drag that decision through the mud simply because it ultimately didn’t work out? What a nice little bubble of infallibility you must live in where you can just sit back and wait to see if a decision pans out or not, and then retrospectively go back and trash it as being a display of poor judgment.

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, Mage said:

Rivera hires an experienced retread?  "Typical Rivera.  Not willing to go outside of the box."

Rivera does what another poster literally suggested above and hires someone as an assistant so they can learn and go up the ladder?  "Wow, Rivera playing favorites and loyalty.  Typical Rivera."

Rivera hires a young outside mind from a strong program.  "He has no experience."

Bullsh-t.

When Norv Turner was hired, it was pretty much universally hailed here. Ditto guys like Ricky Proehl and Sean McDermott. Hell, even Brady Hoke was accepted when he was named.

But again, we're talking about the guy who promoted schule and Washington and has done everything in his power to make sure that Richard Rodgers remains a coach in the NFL.

Rivera has more than enough staffing blunders on his resume' to invite his being questioned.

[Harbingers]

so wait... 

Jim Skipper is gone, there’s a new guy and everyone is complaining? Does anyone here not have an attention span memory better than a fly? 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So....by your own logic, why are you constantly trashing Rivera’s decision to promote Washington to Defensive Coordinator? You think 7 largely successful seasons as our d-line coach (arguably the most important part of a defense) doesn’t qualify him as having:

a) Ascended up the ladder, and

b) Some qualification for the position

?

Or are you really gonna drag that decision through the mud simply because it ultimately didn’t work out? What a nice little bubble of infallibility you must live in where you can just sit back and wait to see if a decision pans out or not, and then retrospectively go back and trash it as being a display of poor judgment.

I didn't. At the time the decision happened, I was behind it, same as pretty much everybody.

But it turns out it wasn't a good decision. And yes, Ron Rivera gets the blame for that. Also for not doing something about it sooner when it was pretty obvious Washington wasn't up to the task.

It's better to have somebody who's experienced, but that doesn't guarantee success any more than anything else does.

And suggesting that just because somebody who had experience didn't work out we should therefore go with somebody else who doesn't have experience is just stupid.