Kaep/Reid Collusion Case Settled

[pantherphan96]

25 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

He was not going to make $100M over the remainder of his playing career, even if he would’ve never started protesting.

When the Broncos were negotiating a trade for him in April 2016, they set their number at $7M/year through the 2020 season meaning it was either a pay cut or sit at home a wait for a call after the 49ers cut you. No other team was going to offer him more after putting up a 10-14 record in 2014 and 2015, and this was all ever before his protest.

NBC Sports: Kap not willing to take Broncos' current pay-cut offer

Peterman does suck major and complete ***, but Kaepernick had his own Peterman moments as well.

Finished that 2015 game against the Cardinals 9/19 (47.4% completion), 67 yards, and a 16.7 QB rating.

And there was the game against the Bears in 2016 where he threw 1/5 for 4 yards and then was promptly benched.

 

 

 

 

[Iron Saint]

28 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Reid has actually proven that he’s a legitimate starter, after sitting untouched for months. Without collusion, there’s no way we pick up a starting safety of that talent level at that point in the season, off of the couch, for nothing.

Kenny Vaccaro remained unsigned all the way through the offseason and training camp (just like Reid did) until Johnathan Cyprien went down in August. He was only signed a month and change earlier than Reid was because Searcy didn’t get hurt as early as Cyprien did.

I know y’all don’t like PFF, but Vaccaro graded out right there with Reid (66.5 grade, 55th safety) with a 66.4 grade as the 57th safety.

Reid: 71 tackles, 1 sack, 5 PBU, 1 INT

Vaccaro: 58 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 PBU, 1 INT

6 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

 

 

Did you not see where I agreed Peterman sucks “major and complete ***”? LOL.

I only said Kaepernick had his own Peterman moments, hence the picture.

[pantherphan96]

46 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

Kenny Vaccaro remained unsigned all the way through the offseason and training camp (just like Reid did) until Johnathan Cyprien went down in August. He was only signed a month and change earlier than Reid was because Searcy didn’t get hurt as early as Cyprien did.

I know y’all don’t like PFF, but Vaccaro graded out right there with Reid (66.5 grade, 55th safety) with a 66.4 grade as the 57th safety.

Reid: 71 tackles, 1 sack, 5 PBU, 1 INT

Vaccaro: 58 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 PBU, 1 INT

Did you not see where I agreed Peterman sucks “major and complete ***”? LOL.

I only said Kaepernick had his own Peterman moments, hence the picture.

sure but the reason Kaep didnt get signed isnt because he's had a few bad games. his overall track record is good enough that absent any kind of bias or collusion he would have at least received tryouts or a 1 year deal with teams such as the Bills. the fact that Peterman, Mark Sanchez, etc had starting jobs at some point during the past few years is pretty strong circumstantial evidence.

[4Corners]

5 hours ago, PhillyB said:

it's beyond obvious you care a whole lot lol

He really cares a whole lot. It’s obvious. This is from the same dude who was crying about Muslims wearing burkas while taking the oath of office. Disgusting. Wish he would find a new team to root for. Making the rest of us look bad.  

[electro's horse]

3 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

He was not going to make $100M over the remainder of his playing career, even if he would’ve never started protesting.

When the Broncos were negotiating a trade for him in April 2016, they set their number at $7M/year through the 2020 season meaning it was either a pay cut or sit at home a wait for a call after the 49ers cut you. No other team was going to offer him more after putting up a 10-14 record in 2014 and 2015, and this was all ever before his protest.

NBC Sports: Kap not willing to take Broncos' current pay-cut offer

Peterman does suck major and complete ***, but Kaepernick had his own Peterman moments as well.

Finished that 2015 game against the Cardinals 9/19 (47.4% completion), 67 yards, and a 16.7 QB rating.

And there was the game against the Bears in 2016 where he threw 1/5 for 4 yards and then was promptly benched.

are we judging qbs on bad games or down seasons cause man i got bad news for you as a panthers fan

[Iron Saint]

2 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

sure but the reason Kaep didnt get signed isnt because he's had a few bad games. his overall track record is good enough that absent any kind of bias or collusion he would have at least received tryouts or a 1 year deal with teams such as the Bills. the fact that Peterman, Mark Sanchez, etc had starting jobs at some point during the past few years is pretty strong circumstantial evidence.

He had offers before and after he opted out of his contract with the 49ers though. As I quoted in the article previously, the Broncos were negotiating a trade with the 49ers for him and he refused to take a paycut (and this was before his abysmal 2016 season where his only win was against the 4-12 Rams and it was by 1 point). Then the Seahawks worked him out and entertained signing him but he likely wasn’t going to sign to be a backup behind Wilson. The Ravens were set to sign him before the 2017 season until his girlfriend opened her racist mouth on Twitter about the organization (specifically the owner and Ray Lewis), causing them to withdraw their interest. 

As for the Nathan Peterman and Mark Sanchez aspect, yes, they both had starting jobs last year however neither of them were outright named the starter at the time of their signing. They both were signed as backups and remained in that role until something happened to their team’s starter. 

In 2017, Peterman was drafted and competed against T.J. Yates and Cardale Jones to be the backup QB behind Tyrod Taylor. He only started after prolonged struggles by Taylor and after his own disaster of a first start he was benched again. In 2018, he competed for the starting job in camp against the team’s 1st round pick, Josh Allen, and A.J. McCarron. He beat them both out and earned the right to start, it wasn’t given.

Same with Mark Sanchez. After Alex Smith’s gruesome injury, Sanchez was signed by the Redskins to be the “backup of the backup” considering Colt McCoy was launched into starting due to Smith’s injury. He didn’t start until McCoy himself was injured.

Kaepernick inherently felt he was entitled to a starting QB job (probably due to his 2012-2013 successes playing opposite of the 2nd and 3rd ranked scoring defenses) and chose not to sign as a backup with a backup QB’s paltry salary.

12 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

are we judging qbs on bad games or down seasons cause man i got bad news for you as a panthers fan

Not a Panthers fan. 

But considering his stretch between 2014-2016 where he posted an 11-24 starting record and only completing 59.7% of his passes and an 85.9 QB rating, I’d say he wasn’t deserving of an outright starting job like he was allegedly looking for. Would you sign him to be y’all starter after posting that record?

[GeorgeHanson]

12 hours ago, 4Corners said:

The leaked number is around $60-$80 mill. You can google it for yourself. 

 Imagine the evidence that Kap’s people must have had on the NFL if they were willing settle out of court with this amount of money. 

 

#FakeNews

No evidence...a simple cost/benefit analysis was conducted and the cost of settling was less than that of litigating...no way the number was anywhere near what you are saying. 

[JARROD]

$60-$80 million is cheap for the NFL and it could have easily cost twice that to carry it through court.

whether or not Kaepernick has enough to win or whether the NFL could prove it was frivolous is irrelevant—

settling out is a means of moving on, stopping the much more expensive court action and appeals, and stopping the public calamity that would just keep going for years.

for Kaepernick he gets paid now instead of 10 years from now.

its a business decision. The true guilt either way is put away.

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, GeorgeHanson said:

#FakeNews

No evidence...a simple cost/benefit analysis was conducted and the cost of settling was less than that of litigating...no way the number was anywhere near what you are saying. 

Then how much was it? 

You can believe whatever you want - I don’t really care. Kapernick got paid!

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

why would the nfl not want that known? if kaepernick settled for pennies it would be taken as evidence that he had no leverage and would likely lose in court. the nfl would shout that from the rooftops if they could. instead we get anonymous league sources pegging the number between $60 and $80 million. kaepernick and reid won.

you sure about that?

might have had something to do with the "$60-$80 million" figure league officials are suggesting

Why wouldn't Kaepernick and his attorney want to shout from the rooftops if they got a huge settlement? It works both ways.

And yeah, I'm pretty confident nobody flipped on the NFL. That claim was made months ago. If it had really happened, this likely would have been settled then.

Bottom line: Whatever the terms of the settlement are, both sides had some reason to agree on it remaining confidential. Doubt we'll ever hear the true reason why from either side, but speculation will surely flow like water.

[pantherphan96]

2 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

He had offers before and after he opted out of his contract with the 49ers though. As I quoted in the article previously, the Broncos were negotiating a trade with the 49ers for him and he refused to take a paycut (and this was before his abysmal 2016 season where his only win was against the 4-12 Rams and it was by 1 point). Then the Seahawks worked him out and entertained signing him but he likely wasn’t going to sign to be a backup behind Wilson. The Ravens were set to sign him before the 2017 season until his girlfriend opened her racist mouth on Twitter about the organization (specifically the owner and Ray Lewis), causing them to withdraw their interest. 

As for the Nathan Peterman and Mark Sanchez aspect, yes, they both had starting jobs last year however neither of them were outright named the starter at the time of their signing. They both were signed as backups and remained in that role until something happened to their team’s starter. 

In 2017, Peterman was drafted and competed against T.J. Yates and Cardale Jones to be the backup QB behind Tyrod Taylor. He only started after prolonged struggles by Taylor and after his own disaster of a first start he was benched again. In 2018, he competed for the starting job in camp against the team’s 1st round pick, Josh Allen, and A.J. McCarron. He beat them both out and earned the right to start, it wasn’t given.

Same with Mark Sanchez. After Alex Smith’s gruesome injury, Sanchez was signed by the Redskins to be the “backup of the backup” considering Colt McCoy was launched into starting due to Smith’s injury. He didn’t start until McCoy himself was injured.

Kaepernick inherently felt he was entitled to a starting QB job (probably due to his 2012-2013 successes playing opposite of the 2nd and 3rd ranked scoring defenses) and chose not to sign as a backup with a backup QB’s paltry salary.

Not a Panthers fan. 

But considering his stretch between 2014-2016 where he posted an 11-24 starting record and only completing 59.7% of his passes and an 85.9 QB rating, I’d say he wasn’t deserving of an outright starting job like he was allegedly looking for. Would you sign him to be y’all starter after posting that record?

key word: allegedly. he absolutely has the talent to be at least a backup QB and i highly doubt the reason he went unsigned is because he demanded starter QB money or a guaranteed starting job. just have to look at comments like McNair comparing his players to inmates to see how the owners really view the players.

his success is 2012-13 was completely due to his defense either. dude set records in that playoff game vs Green Bay.

[GeorgeHanson]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

Then how much was it? 

You can believe whatever you want - I don’t really care. Kapernick got paid!

They call is a "confidential settlement" for a reason...

[GeorgeHanson]

52 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

key word: allegedly. he absolutely has the talent to be at least a backup QB and i highly doubt the reason he went unsigned is because he demanded starter QB money or a guaranteed starting job. just have to look at comments like McNair comparing his players to inmates to see how the owners really view the players.

his success is 2012-13 was completely due to his defense either. dude set records in that playoff game vs Green Bay.

Curious about McNair "comparing his players to inmates".....don't remember him doing so.

[Gazi]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Why wouldn't Kaepernick and his attorney want to shout from the rooftops if they got a huge settlement? It works both ways.

And yeah, I'm pretty confident nobody flipped on the NFL. That claim was made months ago. If it had really happened, this likely would have been settled then.

Bottom line: Whatever the terms of the settlement are, both sides had some reason to agree on it remaining confidential. Doubt we'll ever hear the true reason why from either side, but speculation will surely flow like water.

Because that’s how settlements usually work. “The undisclosed sum” have been the most utilized words by all litigation attorneys Since.. forever. Duh.