Sam Mills III tasked with game management duties

[Mr. Scot]

So if our pattern continues and we have one winning season out of the next three, we'll still be saying that Rivera's a good coach?

I'm gonna love hearing the logic behind that.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, steven8989 said:

Not good to take up for Rivera on here dude, his time is over here. We are just wasting another year of Luke, Cam, CMC with him as the coach. He is garbage and there is no way of taking up for him. We would have never made SB without Cam, look at all those wrs we had that year. 

I realize that some folks here criticize the coaching staff while giving players a total pass and that is fine. As to whether Rivera stays or leaves, it will be about how this season goes. If Cam is healthy and we have a good draft and free agency we could end up making the playoffs and who knows.  Cam had a great year in 2015. Let's be real here. Coaches can't do anything without players performing on the field. They work together, it isn't either or.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I realize that some folks here criticize the coaching staff while giving players a total pass and that is fine. As to whether Rivera stays or leaves, it will be about how this season goes. If Cam is healthy and we have a good draft and free agency we could end up making the playoffs and who knows.  Cam had a great year in 2015. Let's be real here. Coaches can't do anything without players performing on the field. They work together, it isn't either or.

Oh sure. I mean when the Lions finished 0-16, it had nothing to do with coaching, right?

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So if our pattern continues and we have one winning season out of the next three, we'll still be saying that Rivera's a good coach?

I'm gonna love hearing the logic behind that.

If we have back to back winning seasons this year and next it will mean Cam stayed healthy given he has been the story of 2016 and 2018. Injuries and struggles with your franchise quarterback derail most teams unless you are the Eagles and have two starter quality quarterbacks.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh sure. I mean when the Lions finished 0-16, it had nothing to do with coaching, right?

I just posted that coaches and players work together. It isn't just one or the other. I guess it had nothing to do with poor play either, right?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If we have back to back winning seasons this year and next it will mean Cam stayed healthy given he has been the story of 2016 and 2018. Injuries and struggles with your franchise quarterback derail most teams unless you are the Eagles and have two starter quality quarterbacks.

So using your logic, if we win, the coaches don't get any credit for that either.

Good to know.

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

So using your logic, if we win, the coaches don't get any credit for that either.

Good to know.

You seem pretty obtuse this morning. You keep ignoring I said they work together. So they both get credit or blame. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

I just posted that coaches and players work together. It isn't just one or the other. I guess it had nothing to do with poor play either, right?

How much is Cam Newton's quality of play affected by Shaq Thompson?

Does Mario Addison become a better pass rusher when Greg Olsen has a good game?

Is Graham Gano more accurate when James Bradberry is playing well?

Players play together but they have limited ability to affect each other's personal performance.

Coaching, on the other hand...

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You seem pretty obtuse this morning. You keep ignoring I said they work together. So they both get credit or blame. 

Or, according to your posts, nobody does.

If we went 0-16 you'd be on here arguing nobody should be fired or let go because it's your schtick to defend all the worst people and act like it somehow makes you a superior fan.

So truth be told, I'm not being obtuse. I'm just making fun of your trolling MO.

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

How much is Cam Newton's quality of play affected by Shaq Thompson?

Does Mario Addison become a better pass rusher when Greg Olsen has a good game?

Is Graham Gano more accurate when James Bradberry is playing well?

Players play together but they have limited ability to affect each other's personal performance.

Coaching, on the other hand...

Again who said coaching doesn't impact the players or game plan. It isn't one or the other it is both. You seem to keep arguing a point no one is debating. How many times are you going to respond with irrelevant comments?

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Or, according to your posts, nobody does.

If we went 0-16 you'd be on here arguing nobody should be fired or let go because it's your schtick to defend all the worst people and act like it somehow makes you a superior fan.

So truth be told, I'm not being obtuse. I'm just making fun of your trolling MO.

No you always try and make extreme characterizations and put words in other posters responses to try and make a point. 

It is your stick to think a 2 time coach of the year who our owner has confidence in is terrible just because you say it over and over. You troll as much or more than I do. Your MO is use off the wall extreme examples to try and justify your constant criticisms of the coaches and front office.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

No you always try and make extreme characterizations and put words in other posters responses to try and make a point. 

It is your stick to think a 2 time coach of the year who our owner has confidence in is terrible just because you say it over and over. You troll as much or more than I do. Your MO is use off the wall extreme examples to try and justify your constant criticisms of the coaches and front office.

Well I didn't spend years defending Mike Shula now, did I? 

I just know that Coach of the Year awards don't mean Jack sh-t. Neither does the confidence of an owner who's still got a lot to learn.

I also know that, as difficult as this may be for you to grasp, coaches in a competitive business are indeed judged by (gasp) win-loss records, and coaches with bad ones get fired.

But hey, maybe that's unfair. Maybe Marty Mornhinweg just needed more chances, right?

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well I didn't spend years defending Mike Shula now, did I? 

I just know that Coach of the Year awards don't mean Jack sh-t. Neither does the confidence of an owner who's still got a lot to learn.

I also know that, as difficult as this may be for you to grasp, coaches in a competitive business are indeed judged by (gasp) win-loss records, and coaches with bad ones get fired.

But hey, maybe that's unfair. Maybe Marty Mornhinweg just needed more chances, right?

Again you are the master of extreme characterizations and throwing all kinds of crap against the wall hoping something sticks.

Of course coaches are judged by wins or losses and great coaches can take mediocre talent and make them better like Rivera and Shula did in 2015 with arguably the worse receiver group in the NFL. And yes Cam played fantastic as well.

It is also true that coaches can only work with what they are given. The same folks who excuse Cam because he didn't have enough talent criticize Rivera who had the same talent to work with. Seifert had a great record  in San Francisco and then came here and engineered the 1-15 season. So was he great because he won there and crappy here? Or maybe wins and losses aren't just about coaches. It takes talent as well.

[MasterAwesome]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How much is Cam Newton's quality of play affected by Shaq Thompson?

Does Mario Addison become a better pass rusher when Greg Olsen has a good game?

Is Graham Gano more accurate when James Bradberry is playing well?

Players play together but they have limited ability to affect each other's personal performance.

Coaching, on the other hand...

You heard it here folks...Hot Take: Coaching does in fact make Graham Gano a more accurate kicker.