Panthers sign Eric Reid to 3-year contract

[Floppin]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No. I just want to know how non-guaranteed base salary counts against the guaranteed money in a contract. Pick a player. Let’s find out who’s retarded? And like the last guy, No one said a word about 34M. That’s a scenario out of your fantasy contact acumen.

You did. If base salary and guaranteed salary are two separate sums owed on a contract then you think this contract has a Max value of 34 million.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Actually salary can be guaranteed. It is pretty common these days to guarantee the first and sometimes part of the second year's salary especially in contracts using incentives. It works both ways, the player gets his entire signing bonus and first year salary guaranteed and the club gets most of the guaranteed money accounted for so the dead cap hit after year one is manageable at a June 1 designation and not a big deal at the end of 2 years. 

Yep, went back to clarify that. In practical terms, even if not stipulated a year or two of salary might as well be guaranteed since releasing the player at that point is cap prohibitive but unless specifically stipulated in the contract, salaries are not guaranteed.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually salary can be guaranteed. It is pretty common these days to guarantee the first and sometimes part of the second year's salary especially in contracts using incentives. It works both ways, the player gets his entire signing bonus and first year salary guaranteed and the club gets most of the guaranteed money accounted for so the dead cap hit after year one is manageable at a June 1 designation and not a big deal at the end of 2 years. 

And if you read, you would know that has been pointed out twice. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Floppin said:

You did. If base salary and guaranteed salary are two separate sums owed on a contract then you think this contract has a Max value of 34 million.

Bro, stop. They are separate sums, but the guaranteed money is figured into the total value. $22M with $10M guaranteed means the $10M is part of the $22M. They're separate figures because signing bonuses are guaranteed while salaries and other bonuses are not, unless otherwise stipulated in the contract. For example, if released, future salaries disappear as well as future roster bonuses. Again, unless otherwise stipulated.

[Floppin]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. It's not. You're wildly incorrect. Salary is never guaranteed except in rare circumstances and that has to be stipulated in the contract.

Guaranteed money is not the same as signing bonus in terms. Some times it is all paid out as signing bonus but it's not the same thing. It just depends on the structure is my point. Just because you see 10 million guaranteed doesn't mean he got 10 million as a signing bonus. Often the guarantee include at least the first year, if not two years of salary.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Floppin said:

You did. If base salary and guaranteed salary are two separate sums owed on a contract then you think this contract has a Max value of 34 million.

No one has said anything like that but you. You’re dumbass thinks if we pay him base salary, it knocks off any cap hit or guaranteed money at all. The one thing that doesn’t count(unless specified) and you’re trying to argue it does. 

  This is next level ignorance. 

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And if you read, you would know that has been pointed out twice. 

Good job. Here is a cookie.....

[Floppin]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bro, stop. They are separate sums, but the guaranteed money is figured into the total value. $22M with $10M guaranteed means the $10M is part of the $22M. They're separate figures because signing bonuses are guaranteed while salaries and other bonuses are not, unless otherwise stipulated in the contract. For example, if released, future salaries disappear as well as future roster bonuses. Again, unless otherwise stipulated.

I'm fairly certain we agree and are just arguing semantics. Guaranteed parts of contacts include signing bonuses but signing bonuses are not necessarily the total guaranteed money of a contract.

[Floppin]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

No one has said anything like that but you. You’re dumbass thinks if we pay him base salary, it knocks off any cap hit or guaranteed money at all. The one thing that doesn’t count(unless specified) and you’re trying to argue it does. 

  This is next level ignorance. 

I most certainly don't. I never said anything about the cap.

[kungfoodude]

Guaranteed portions of the salary are becoming more and more common in thre NFL. Frankly, they should be. It is goofy as fug for most of the other major professional sports in the to have almost total guaranteed money but not the NFL.

Look at the Cousins contract, which I believe was 100% guaranteed money.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Floppin said:

Guaranteed money is not the same as signing bonus in terms. Some times it is all paid out as signing bonus but it's not the same thing. It just depends on the structure is my point. Just because you see 10 million guaranteed doesn't mean he got 10 million as a signing bonus. Often the guarantee include at least the first year, if not two years of salary.

And I brought that up in my first response to you. Well before we became forging retards. All you had to say was that was what you were talking about. And LG did the same. Still nothing. Now that’s what your talking about? Sure. Go with that. You still need to explained how base salary knocks off guaranteed money. 

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Good job. Here is a cookie.....

Keep it. Stick it in your half-full glass and have a ball. No ones being mean to any Panther personnel Mr. Hall Monitor. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Floppin said:

Guaranteed money is not the same as signing bonus in terms. Some times it is all paid out as signing bonus but it's not the same thing. It just depends on the structure is my point. Just because you see 10 million guaranteed doesn't mean he got 10 million as a signing bonus. Often the guarantee include at least the first year, if not two years of salary.

Yes, ujder some circumstances teams can guarantee salaries for some years.

Under no circumstances is there a situation with a signing bonus when a contract's guaranteed money fulfilled once a player is paid out a certain sum of money. Signing bonuses are guaranteed no matter what as long as the player doesn't do something to nullify the contract.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, Floppin said:

I most certainly don't. I never said anything about the cap.

What do you think this is all about? 

None of your comments In this thread are about the cap? Is that it?