Don’t count on ever seeing Old Cam again

[CPcavedweller]

3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Teams figured out how to attack Cam after 2015. I don't think we will see many folks duplicate that including Cam.  Cam in 2015 did it largely by himself. I want Cam in this offense over that offense getting the ball to the open guy instead of holding it trying to make a play.. we have enough playmakers that it is hard for a defense to shut us down by taking away our running quarterback.

What? If Cam could throw the ball 60 yards in the air we wouldve been 14-2 last season with the emergance of Samuel and Moore. Cam wouldve been in the MVP conversation as well. But that didn't happen because his shoulder is fuged, hopefully not beyond repair.

[jasonluckydog]

If you want my expert opinion you'll have to pay for it 

[Moo Daeng]

Remember when the echo chamber was going on and on about the lack of deep threats being the problem? Remember when people (that creepy Auburn fan especially) turned on Voth for noting that Cam hadn't been throwing the deep ball well all preseason at the end of the pre season? It wasnt until they realized the opportunity to blame the team that they accepted this. Now it's to the point some claim he couldn't throw 10 to 20 yards and it was a waste of our deep ball talent. Interesting how that spun around like that 

[CatTower]

Let's find a QB that can block and throw the deep pass.  We'll line up 2 QBs behind scrimmage and let Cam pass it off to the other QB if someone is open long.

[SOJA]

I m about to be a doctor in May and ill tell you whoever said that is full of poo. Without you directly visualizing the injury or extent of the damage there is no way to accurately predict a prognosis. Further, everyone is different and every injury is different.

 

The truth about cam is we really have no idea how his shoulder will hold up

 

[raleigh-panther]

20 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

I mean anyone who ever suggests his best days may be behind him on this site gets flamed but the reality is MVP Cam is a thing of the past sadly.

Assuming his shoulder returns to 100% (which seems more and more unlikely) you still have to look at what made him a near unstoppable force.

29 isn’t old at all for a QB but it is for a RB. Cam has taken a beating setting rushing TD records as a QB and he showed last season he was hesitant to take off running at times. Combine that with the fact he has a lethal rocket for an arm which looks like it may no longer be the case and his biggest strengths may be somewhat nullified 

He took a lot more of a beating in the pocket 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

We don’t need “Old Cam” if we can get a decent line. Why do we never draft OL in the first round? I remember a guy name Jordan Gross that worked out pretty well.

[panthers55]

7 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

What? If Cam could throw the ball 60 yards in the air we wouldve been 14-2 last season with the emergance of Samuel and Moore. Cam wouldve been in the MVP conversation as well. But that didn't happen because his shoulder is fuged, hopefully not beyond repair.

Of course we want Cam to be able to throw it deep but now it forces Cam to throw more timing routes and hit the short pass rather than holding it trying for the low percentage big play downfield. Now he has to throw more to spots than before when he would wait to see a receiver come open and try to fire it to him before the defender closes. Which accounted for most of his ints last year. Having less velocity on the ball means you have to be smarter and can't just rely on arm strength anymore. 

[hepcat]

21 hours ago, PhillyB said:

plenty of quarterbacks have won rings without the ability to thread the ball forty yards up the seam on a frozen rope. cam was in the MVP discussions the first half of last season despite playing what felt to us like a water-down offensive system and it doesn't seem far-fetched to believe he'll end up right back there next year.

defense needs to improve a lot to win a Superbowl with Cam unable to throw the deep ball

[pantherclaw]

Who woulda thought Cam's shoulder would have gone before his mobility.

[CPcavedweller]

6 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Of course we want Cam to be able to throw it deep but now it forces Cam to throw more timing routes and hit the short pass rather than holding it trying for the low percentage big play downfield. Now he has to throw more to spots than before when he would wait to see a receiver come open and try to fire it to him before the defender closes. Which accounted for most of his ints last year. Having less velocity on the ball means you have to be smarter and can't just rely on arm strength anymore. 

So what good are the timing routes if Norv's system is reliant on vertical passing to open up those lanes? If there is no threat to go deep, defenses will stack the line of scrimmage, pressure receivers, and send pressure all day. It isn't difficult to defeat. We would be better off with someone who is slightly less gifted but has the ability to get the ball down the field. 

[DeeJay]

oh no here comes the bad offseason threads again

[falconidae]

10 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

He took a lot more of a beating in the pocket 

I agree he takes a beating in the pocket, then when you add in the hundreds of additional hits he has taken as runner- over a 1000 carries in 8 years minus 81 kneeldowns so 900+ carries, including playoffs- that other QBs don't get, it adds up.

When you factor that,particularly early in his career, he wasn't running out of bounds or avoiding hits, his body has taken a pounding. I think it's amazing he's stayed as healthy as he has. There's never been a QB who has run as much as he has for as long as he has.

Be interesting to see how he adapts to being 30 years old with  900+ carries. Think every other mobile QB either became a pocket passer or was retired by around 30.

Has Cam ever said he wants to play until "X" number of years? Matt Ryan has stated he wants to play until he's 40, don't remember Cam saying something like that?

[CatTower]

11 hours ago, SOJA said:

 

 

The truth about cam is we really have no idea how his shoulder will hold up

 

Except we do.  His shoulder has been an ongoing problem for years now.