The evolution is in process

[CPF4LIFE]

I also agree to the fact that it doesn't sound like Rivera actually WANTS to change but just doing it because he has too which is also a red flag to me. He always speak of someone who has his mindset on a specific path and doesnt want to go a different direction unless its absolutely necessary or in other words if the failing gets to out of hand. Thats just simply not head coaching material to me in this league. Dude needs to go. 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

The fact he bases his decisions on score of the game makes me angry.  A good head coach would continue to look for ways to get better, including making personnel decisions to be where they need to be to compete in the playoffs. The score shouldn't matter.   It was obvious to all of us, even heading into the Pittsburgh game, that the Defense didn't look right, gave up too many big plays, and got lucky a few times earlier in the season.  

It is was any other position but quarterback it might have been different. Plus MRIs done during the season showed no damage. So it was much harder shutting down Cam versus someone else. It would have almost been better if he were hurt to the point he couldn't play. The way it turned out it was hard to shut him down mid season as it was pain but little to no damage.

[panthers55]

9 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I also agree to the fact that it doesn't sound like Rivera actually WANTS to change but just doing it because he has too which is also a red flag to me. He always speak of someone who has his mindset on a specific path and doesnt want to go a different direction unless its absolutely necessary or in other words if the failing gets to out of hand. Thats just simply not head coaching material to me in this league. Dude needs to go. 

No one wants to change. Trust me my job is to get folks to change for a living and almost universally folks don't want to change unless it isn't working and they have few other options.

Few head coaches in the NFL want to change either and most don't.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Few head coaches in the NFL want to change either and most don't.

The good ones neither want nor do they not want change... they just do.

[JARROD]

On 2/8/2019 at 2:48 PM, thefuzz said:

You have a coach with 6 Lombardi's that changes everything about his team/scheme from week to week, then you have the coaches like Ron who stubbornly make any changes at all.

Brutal to watch.

Yep, Belicheck floats in and out of 3-4, 4-3 and different coverages at will. His linebackers line up inside and outside,..

Ron is a square coach,.. like many who post where you have one or the other and have to get specific personnel to fit your scheme.

until we start getting great football players that are versatile and smart and then putting them in the best position to win, we will be like the 31 teams that don’t win the Super now every year,..

[Waldo]

On 2/11/2019 at 6:15 AM, GRWatcher said:

What? You're implying that Rivera and staff did nothing that year. I'll need some solid proof of this. I think you may be going a little to the extreme here.

I wasn't implying he didn't do anything all year, I was implying Ron's philosophies suck and that he expects the players to do his job for him. His in game philosophies have been a huge let down. Time management, adjustments in any area and letting opponents back into games they have no business playing catch-up in are easy examples. The way Ron thinks it's always the players' failure in a loss and not his is evidence that this is his thought process on the players role in ownership of the job of coaching. How many times have you heard Ron state it was his fault for not finding a way to win a game? Once I can think of that even came close to an admission of failure.

I went to search for the 2015 press conference and interview transcripts. I am shocked that there is so little out there and what is there is spotty. The Panther's own site doesn't even have a search function which is a huge let down. All I could scrape together was Ron talking about how he learned his philosophy from this article: https://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/ron-rivera-carolina-panthers/ 

'He studied. He talked to people. He read leadership books. Most of all, he watched how the great coaches worked. He was in awe of how Bears coach Mike Ditka galvanized his teams. “I remember one time he was so mad at us for the way we started practice,” Rivera says, “he just said, ‘That’s it. We’re done. Let’s go. Practice is over.’ And he just walked off.

“Well, what happened? We stayed, and we practiced. Mike Singletary grabbed one of the scripts, and we practiced right off the scripts. That was what made Mike so good. He made us take ownership of the team.” '

The interview or press conference I was referring to went more into depth how his experience with Ditka influenced him to believe that the players should lead and teach the younger guys and that the coaches should step in to adjust what they hear and see. 2015 Cam was reading the defenses and adjusting at the line of scrimmage which made Shula a genius, that was taken away in 2016 and it showed. The two games we lost, the adjustments didn't come. For huge chunks of any game Ron stands on the sideline letting everyone else do their jobs as he looks mad/lost. The game plan that is determined before the game remains in effect even after halftime, which is proof in blown leads. The Seahawks game in the playoff was an example of that. Sorry if that's not as clear as I hoped to put through but it's a brutal week at work.

[twylyght]

you can tell who wasn't around during the Seifert era

[GRWatcher]

27 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I wasn't implying he didn't do anything all year, I was implying Ron's philosophies suck and that he expects the players to do his job for him. His in game philosophies have been a huge let down. Time management, adjustments in any area and letting opponents back into games they have no business playing catch-up in are easy examples. The way Ron thinks it's always the players' failure in a loss and not his is evidence that this is his thought process on the players role in ownership of the job of coaching. How many times have you heard Ron state it was his fault for not finding a way to win a game? Once I can think of that even came close to an admission of failure.

I went to search for the 2015 press conference and interview transcripts. I am shocked that there is so little out there and what is there is spotty. The Panther's own site doesn't even have a search function which is a huge let down. All I could scrape together was Ron talking about how he learned his philosophy from this article: https://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/ron-rivera-carolina-panthers/ 

'He studied. He talked to people. He read leadership books. Most of all, he watched how the great coaches worked. He was in awe of how Bears coach Mike Ditka galvanized his teams. “I remember one time he was so mad at us for the way we started practice,” Rivera says, “he just said, ‘That’s it. We’re done. Let’s go. Practice is over.’ And he just walked off.

“Well, what happened? We stayed, and we practiced. Mike Singletary grabbed one of the scripts, and we practiced right off the scripts. That was what made Mike so good. He made us take ownership of the team.” '

The interview or press conference I was referring to went more into depth how his experience with Ditka influenced him to believe that the players should lead and teach the younger guys and that the coaches should step in to adjust what they hear and see. 2015 Cam was reading the defenses and adjusting at the line of scrimmage which made Shula a genius, that was taken away in 2016 and it showed. The two games we lost, the adjustments didn't come. For huge chunks of any game Ron stands on the sideline letting everyone else do their jobs as he looks mad/lost. The game plan that is determined before the game remains in effect even after halftime, which is proof in blown leads. The Seahawks game in the playoff was an example of that. Sorry if that's not as clear as I hoped to put through but it's a brutal week at work.

Nebulous explanation at best. But good effort, I'll say that. Sympathies about the week at work. Stay strong! You seemed to have made an emotional statement totally off the cuff. Forgivable by any standard. 

Let me remind everyone:           RON RIVERA WAS THE 2015 COACH OF THE YEAR.

[GRWatcher]

29 minutes ago, twylyght said:

you can tell who wasn't around during the Seifert era

  You speak the truth. Lead to the end of the Panthers website forum.

[tiger7_88]

3 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Nebulous explanation at best. But good effort, I'll say that. Sympathies about the week at work. Stay strong! You seemed to have made an emotional statement totally off the cuff. Forgivable by any standard. 

Let me remind everyone:           RON RIVERA WAS THE 2015 COACH OF THE YEAR.

Jason Gartett, Dallas Cowboys, 2016 NFL Coach of the Year

Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals, 2009 NFL Coach of the Year

Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons, 2008 NFL Coach of the Year

Lovie Smith, Chicago Bears, 2005 NFL Coach of the Year

Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears, 2001 NFL Coach of the Year

Dom Capers, Carolina Panthers, 1996 NFL Coach of the Year

Ray Rhodes, Philadelphia Eagles, 1995 NFL Coach of the Year

Wayne Fontes, Detroit Lion, 1991 NFL Coach of the Year

Lindy Infante, Green Bay Packers, 1989 NFL Coach of the Year

etc.

etc.

[GRWatcher]

14 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Jason Gartett, Dallas Cowboys, 2016 NFL Coach of the Year

Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals, 2009 NFL Coach of the Year

Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons, 2008 NFL Coach of the Year

Lovie Smith, Chicago Bears, 2005 NFL Coach of the Year

Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears, 2001 NFL Coach of the Year

Dom Capers, Carolina Panthers, 1996 NFL Coach of the Year

Ray Rhodes, Philadelphia Eagles, 1995 NFL Coach of the Year

Wayne Fontes, Detroit Lion, 1991 NFL Coach of the Year

Lindy Infante, Green Bay Packers, 1989 NFL Coach of the Year

etc.

etc.

And?

[tiger7_88]

Each and every one an average head coach at best all the way down to a disastrous head coach.

[GRWatcher]

5 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Each and every one an average head coach at best all the way down to a disastrous head coach.

So what? Apparently not the year they were named Coach of the Year. Waldo and I were talking about 2015. If you're going to jump in the middle of a conversation, pay attention to what is being talked about from the beginning. Sheez.

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, GRWatcher said:

Nebulous explanation at best. But good effort, I'll say that. Sympathies about the week at work. Stay strong! You seemed to have made an emotional statement totally off the cuff. Forgivable by any standard. 

Let me remind everyone:           RON RIVERA WAS THE 2015 COACH OF THE YEAR.

AND WHAT IS YOUR POINT?