Gronkowski is a moron

[rippadonn]

Guilty until proven innocent! Find me the man I'll find you the crime.

That's what's accepted in the USA today.

It's unAmerican.

[PhillyB]

4 minutes ago, Montsta said:

Without getting too political on the main forum, and with all due respect to you Philly as I genuinely respect you (despite our vast differences in opinion on damn near everything), wasn’t a certain leading female candidate for the office of the presidency completely absolved of criminal wrongdoing based solely on the defense of “she didn’t know what she was doing was wrong”?

For true equality in society we need both sexes held equally accountable when they screw up and do something stupid. 

Look forward to your honest take on this and then it’s back to football discussion I’ll go. 

our entire criminal defense system is predicated around throwing everything at the wall in defense of even the most probable monster and letting the judge decide. while you could argue ethics there it's absolutely useless to compare courtroom defense ethics to our social assessment of excuse-making.

an example is casey anthony, who you or i would be abhored for defending with our opinions, but whose defense by her attorney was predicated by a legal system that demanded it.

if you agree with what i said with regard to personal responsibility for rape culture why on earth would you drag hillary into it lol. for someone the entire left would love to see disappear from the public eye she sure lives rent free in y'all's heads 

[PhillyB]

4 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Guilty until proven innocent! Find me the man I'll find you the crime.

That's what's accepted in the USA today.

It's unAmerican.

yes i suggest you never procreate. just to be safe you know.

[rippadonn]

35 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

yes i suggest you never procreate. just to be safe you know.

Too late son.

[TheCasillas]

12 hours ago, Inimicus said:

Your 4 year old isn't being malicious when he offers your house guest a freshly harvested nose goblin but its inappropriate none the less and behavior you correct.

What a weird and partially correct example.

it the guests asked for it, then is it innapropiate behavior by the guests or the kid? Bc in this situation it was asked.

[rippadonn]

36 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

yes i suggest you never procreate. just to be safe you know.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the current state of affairs.

Although my responses may be comical I in no way support hurting or disrespecting women, that's not who I am, quite the opposite in fact.

My problem is when men in general are cast in the same light as those who've created a culture and secret society around abusing women and children. This is a much smaller and usually richer group than MOST men in our country represent.

For a company to come out and cast such broad brush strokes in an apparent attack on American masculinity is an attack on all American men without prejudice. I don't accept this label and won't bow to it or tell my son to be less of a man, less confident or less than females because he is male.

I'm proud of being masculine and the laws that allow men to be locked up "because she said so" or men losing their jobs and life's work "because she said so" without looking into the matter IS a result of toxic femininity and a flawed non caring legal system.

Lock up real abusers and pedophiles and we don't ALL look like abusers but these criminals hide in the open while we all take the blame.

We're probably on the same side Philly.

[PhillyB]

3 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the current state of affairs.

Although my responses may be comical I in no way support hurting or disrespecting women, that's not who I am, quite the opposite in fact.

My problem is when men in general are cast in the same light as those who've created a culture and secret society around abusing women and children. This is a much smaller and usually richer group than MOST men in our country represent.

For a company to come out and cast such broad brush strokes in an apparent attack on American masculinity is an attack on all American men without prejudice. I don't accept this label and won't bow to it or tell my son to be less of a man, less confident or less than females because he is male.

I'm proud of being masculine and the laws that allow men to be locked up "because she said so" or men losing their jobs and life's work "because she said so" without looking into the matter IS a result of toxic femininity and a flawed non caring legal system.

Lock up real abusers and pedophiles and we don't ALL look like abusers but these criminals hide in the open while we all take the blame.

We're probably on the same side Philly.

masculinity is not being attacked lol.

some dudes are douches. you can make a difference by:

(1) not being a douche

(2) not making excuses for guys who are being douches

(3) calling out guys when they're being douches

(4) teaching your son and daughter 1-4

[PanthersBigD]

16 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

What a weird and partially correct example.

it the guests asked for it, then is it innapropiate behavior by the guests or the kid? Bc in this situation it was asked.

You really don't seem to get it. In the kid/guest scenario, the parent would still need to correct the child, even if the guest asked for it. Wiping an unsolicited booger on someone is bad behavior, just as giving some weirdo a booger on request. Would you want your child doing strange things at the requests of adults? No, you'd tell them to come tell you about it. 

We're saying the same thing about the Gronkowski situation. No one is trying to get him cut from the team, but the behavior was bad, even if it was started by someone else. Do you think Tom Brady would be drawn into a back in forth with Barstool? No. It's a teachable moment for Gronk. It's sad that he's a fully grown man and a millionaire and he still has to be corrected like a child. 

[PhillyB]

17 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

What a weird and partially correct example.

it the guests asked for it, then is it innapropiate behavior by the guests or the kid? Bc in this situation it was asked.

uh, no. if someone in the workplace "asks" to be sexually harassed is that a green light? or is it better to never make sexual comments in a context where it's not appropriate?

this really truly isn't as hard as some of you insist on making it

[Davidson Deac II]

Gronkowski may be blunt, but he certainly isn't a moron, at least when it comes to financial doings.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/15/rob-gronkowski-shares-his-first-big-splurge.html

 

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On a new episode of UNINTERRUPTED’s “Kneading Dough,” hosted by Maverick Carter, Gronkowski confirmed that he still saves a full 100 percent of his NFL salary, which has been as high as $4 million in 2017. He’s not a big spender, he added: “I’m an easy kind of guy. I can live easy.”

 

[rippadonn]

8 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

masculinity is not being attacked lol.

some dudes are douches. you can make a difference by:

(1) not being a douche

(2) not making excuses for guys who are being douches

(3) calling out guys when they're being douches

(4) teaching your son and daughter 1-4

When people like Cosby and Weinstein etc. are protected for decades until finally being held publically accountable recently the backlash is huge. There is the real crime, not some goofy jock locker room humor.

Be offended by the real criminals and their crimes AND the cover-up they are afforded, not silly jokes by jocks.

You're barking up the wrong tree. We've got enough real problems of real abuse for every little microscopic judgement of humor to become a loose your job, suspend HIM situation.

If all that righteous indignation isn't focused on the real douches or real criminals what you're saying is empty meaningless and misguided much like the ad we were discussing.

[PhillyB]

5 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

When people like Cosby and Weinstein etc. are protected for decades until finally being held publically accountable recently the backlash is huge. There is the real crime, not some goofy jock locker room humor.

Be offended by the real criminals and their crimes AND the cover-up they are afforded, not silly jokes by jocks.

You're barking up the wrong tree. We've got enough real problems of real abuse for every little microscopic judgement of humor to become a loose your job, suspend HIM situation.

If all that righteous indignation isn't focused on the real douches or real criminals what you're saying is empty meaningless and misguided much like the ad we were discussing.

why can't we change both? i can simultaneously care about large scale sexual predators and about sexual harassment in the workplace, which is what contextually inappropriate sexual comments fall under.

why do some many people insist on being dragged into this century kicking and screaming instead of just accepting new ideas and walking into it? life would be easier for you and better for everyone

edit: AND you no longer have to wail about razor commercials that offend you! win/win/win

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, PhillyB said:

why can't we change both? i can simultaneously care about large scale sexual predators and about sexual harassment in the workplace, which is what contextually inappropriate sexual comments fall under.

why do some many people insist on being dragged into this century kicking and screaming instead of just accepting new ideas and walking into it? life would be easier for you and better for everyone

edit: AND you no longer have to wail about razor commercials that offend you! win/win/win

This is what "Draining the Swamp" is all about on the deepest level. Those who support that movement aren't the ones kicking and screaming, it's the swamp (institutionally supported criminal abusers) creatures and the people knowingly or unknowingly supporting the swamp atmosphere in our country.

At least the Brits made an attempt to clean that element out to some degree. Here in the US we have not yet made the attempt publically to address the root of these problems as it pertains to our higher offices. That's were it starts. Are you down with that movement or are you kicking and screaming?

The Weinstein's of the world and their $ control politics and thus policy when it comes to douches and creeps like him of which there are many. We can't have that "win, win, with " while turning a blind eye to the culture that protects abhorrent behavior.

It has to be top down and prosecuting words instead of actions isn't a starting point.

[Bronn]

42 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Gronkowski may be blunt, but he certainly isn't a moron, at least when it comes to financial doings.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/15/rob-gronkowski-shares-his-first-big-splurge.html

 

 

uhhh it isn't too hard to be a savvy spender when your fridge is likely full of cheap beer and Lunchables, all your dinnerware is made of disposable plastic, and you're just as content to pass out on a cheap couch from Big Lots while playing video games as opposed to hiring an interior designer to layout a Feng shui bedroom with high dollar furniture.